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March 18, 2004

A vegan's beef with meat-eating

Brittany Moyer, Page Editor
Glue for my craft projects, Tupperware to hold my lunch, plastic bottles for my soda and the cheese crackers on which I munch.

The daunting list of animal-exploiting products that I’ve used nearly every day goes on and on.

In a quest to combat our societal dependency on animals, I’ve been a foot soldier for the past three weeks in the vegetarian brigade, marching forward in a personal experimental journey to experience firsthand the discipline of veganism, the ultra-vegetarian lifestyle.

The V-word

I’ve joined a whole contingent of vegans (pronounced VEE-gun) who avoid using animal products and products tested on animals. This includes eliminating not only meat and fish from their diet but also milk, cheese, eggs, honey and clothing made from leather, wool and silk. Motives for such drastic dietary limitations stem from the belief that the lifestyle reduces animal suffering, conserves resources and benefits one’s personal health.

In the U.S. alone, there are an estimated 12 million vegetarians, according to People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), including some right here at Blair. And some Blazers, like me, have taken vegetarianism a step further and have adopted veganism. Gone are our cheese omelet breakfasts, after-school chocolate milkshakes and traditional roast-beef suppers.

Meeting my meat

When shopping for my new diet at the natural-food store, I run into a fellow vegan soldier who encourages my reconnaissance of the vegan territory. Eager to help, the man loans me a video called Meet Your Meat, a short, PETA-made documentary exposing the horrors of the meat industry processes for raising and slaughtering livestock.
Senior Michael Blair shows off the vegan and sweatshop-free shoes he wears instead of traditional footwear.
Photo by Adam Schuyler

Back at home, I brace myself to watch the video, comforted knowing that under federal law, slaughtered cattle and hogs must be “stunned"—rendered insensible to pain—before meeting their death. But on screen, a subtitle reads, “Many pigs have their throats slit while they are still conscious," while the accompanying image shows a man swiftly cutting the necks of pigs. As if on cue, the pigs begin to jolt and spasm, but the killer saunters off unfazed. The video continues to show similarly stomach-churning scenes at farms and processing plants.

A meat-eater all my life, I am bothered by these brutal images. For starters, my conscience begins pondering the difference between pet animals and livestock: I fawn over the fowl that is my beloved parakeet but think nothing of hungrily devouring the fowl that is my rotisserie chicken dinner.
My own soul-searching helps me understand why veganism regards animals as sacrosanct; nothing should be done that violates the integrity and well-being of any animal.

Embracing alternatives

Secure in my new vegan outlook, I see that respecting animals includes not only avoiding their meat but also avoiding the leather that comes from their skin. Luckily, as the anti-animal-cruelty contingent continues to grow, shunning animal products is easier because of the increasing availability of alternatives.

Senior Michael Blair, a vegan for 18 months, can prove that there are viable ways to avoid consuming animal products. Pulling up his pantleg and stretching out his leg, he shows me his vegan and sweatshop-free shoes bearing a white tag which reads “Vegetarian Shoes."

Others, however, don’t see the need to find alternatives for their chicken nuggets, let alone their designer leather boots.

Got beef?

Senior Sergio Garcia believes that meat is a fundamental part of the human diet which should not be sidestepped. “Ham for breakfast, some meat for lunch," Garcia says, pausing to pull out a sandwich from his backpack and flop it open to show me the ground beef packed inside, “and ham, beef or steak for dinner."
Garcia justifies his ideas, citing the human race’s historical diet of animal meat. “Yes, it’s sad, but it’s the only way," he tells me. “I just think, ‘It’s meat. I’m gonna fry it, gonna eat it, and it’s gonna taste good.’ End of story," he says, his voice confident.

Vegans, however, point to the fact that every day, 840 million people worldwide, one quarter of which are children, go hungry. Producing meat, a food high up on the food chain, requires much more energy and many more natural resources than crops do; the beef in just one Big Mac represents enough wheat to make five loaves of bread.

It is estimated that if everyone adopted a vegetarian diet and no food was wasted, current food production could theoretically feed ten billion people, which is more than the projected population for the year 2050, according to PETA.

Differentiating the V-isms

The difference between veganism and vegetarianism lies in a vegan’s refusal of eggs, dairy and honey in addition to meat. Many foods are out-of-bounds when these are cut from the diet, especially tasty treats like pastries, pies and buttered popcorn.

But the reasoning behind relinquishing these foods is good enough for me. “Egg-laying hens are the most abused animal on the planet," says Josh Balk, Outreach Coordinator for Compassion Over Killing, a Washington, D.C.-based animal advocacy organization that promotes vegetarianism as the way to take a stand against animal cruelty. “And male chickens in the egg industry are useless in production because they can’t lay eggs," Balk continues. “So as soon as they’re born, they’re discarded in trashcans and simply thrown away."

Hearing about the horrible treatment of egg-laying hens roused vegetarian sophomore Mollie Segal’s interest in adopting a more restrictive vegan diet. Segal is an active and devoted member of PETA 2, PETA’s kids’ and teenagers’ domain, and recently founded Blair’s first Animal Rights Club.

Despite her devotion to animal rights, though, she expresses the difficulties that may prevent many people from assuming a vegan diet: the temptation to delve into yummy desserts and non-vegan foods. “It’s easy to forget sometimes and, like, dive into a chocolate bar," Segal admits, smiling sheepishly (most chocolate contains forbidden milk).

Cravings may be abundant in the world of veganism, but hit with a hankering, I simply recall egg-laying hens who pass their brief lifespan jammed into tiny wire cages and the resulting cage-mate cannibalization and self-mutilation. Suddenly, dealing with the cravings is not half as bad.

Nailing nutrition

For Segal and some others, practicing vegetarianism hasn’t been easy. In her early days as a vegetarian, Segal faced a problem not uncommon among teen vegetarians and vegans—malnutrition. When fits of vomiting and fainting became more frequent, Segal soon learned from her doctor that she suffered from anemia, a lack of sufficient iron in the blood.

Sophomore Stephanie Alfaro was forced to drop her vegan diet after being hospitalized for complications relating to anemia. She had been a vegan for one year and started to have fits of fainting, cold hands and concentration troubles.

Anemia-related sickness can be avoided, though, by the use of iron supplements and nutritional discipline. Both Segal and Alfaro now take iron vitamins, and Segal, still a vegetarian, pays better attention to eating foods that are rich in protein.

Christine Rushing, a registered licensed dietician at Brook Lane Health Services in Hagerstown, says the most important thing vegans must do is get enough Vitamin B-12, a vitamin that is found almost only in meats. Rushing is yet another dietician to endorse vegetarian-related diets.

Every person counts

As for me, I don’t feel more energetic or more tired since adopting veganism, but I do feel an enlightened sense of accomplishment. And I didn’t suffer during these several weeks of veganism, except when watching slaughter sequences on tape and scratching my head on how to push veganism to a scale large enough to tackle world hunger.

But I’m inspired by the committed words of Blair MAPS teacher Alan Kellerman, a vegan of 22 years, which will guide me as I continue to maintain a vegan diet and outlook. “It’s a long process," he tells me, following up with references to the significant strides veganism has made in the past decade.

“Who are [consumers] going to listen to: Colgate, Palmolive or me?" Kellerman asks rhetorically, pausing long enough for me to smile at him. “That doesn’t mean I have to give up, though. And I won’t."
I agree.


Pocket guide for the beginning vegan:

*Learn the fundamentals: Research veganism online, check out books from the library and talk to vegans around you.

*Get stocked: Keeping healthy vegan food around the house is important, so stash your fridge with vegetables, sesame crackers and soy ice cream.

*Find a friend/family member to do it also: The two of you can create a mini support group.

*Take vitamin supplements (protein, calcium, B-12): Keep yourself healthy by getting
the nutrients your body isn’t getting through the meat you used to eat.

*Keep your motives in sight: If at any points you doubt your commitment and feel like giving into a craving, remember your reasoning for becoming a vegan.
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  • Chris Mulligan (View Email) on March 16, 2004
    As a veggie (but not vegan) essentially since birth, thanks for the article. From my experiances and watching my friends and family the article seems to cover the important facts for those interested in trying it out. It's very important to eat protien and get your vitamins. For those who like burgers, hot dogs or something don't forget that there are many very good vegetarian and vegan alternatives.
  • cowboysRule on March 16, 2004
    great article frankkk

    if anybody's gonna do this veganism stuff (you'll miss the starbursts and gummy bears though, beware) get those supplements... they should definitely be included in any vegan diet.

    it sounds like a pretty cool idea to be vegan.
  • ashley j. on March 16, 2004
    wow brit this is amazing! "I fawn over the fowl that is my beloved parakeet but think nothing of hungrily devouring the fowl that is my rotisserie chicken dinner." i love it! bravo!
  • vegan on March 16, 2004
    excellent! I loved this article, and yay for Brit for her new commitment.
  • a-money (View Email) on March 16, 2004
    i love brittany moyer, i love the cause and props to you, i'll join you when i can
  • no name on March 16, 2004
    ahhhh veganism seems so hard
  • A thought from your friends at on March 17, 2004
    The cruelty against defenseless vegetables and plants must stop! Support the VLF and fight against the brutal plant-killers of this world. Let us eat nourishing and healthy meat instead of slaughtering the oxygen-producing beautiful organisms that lead their lives in silence and oppression from all animals, including human beings.

    Just because they don't speak doesn't mean they don't suffer. Imagine the pain a potato must feel when you boil it! Or how a tomato screams in silent agony when you slice it with a sharp knife!

    Our ancestors knew this, they hunted down and slayed the giant plant killing mammoth and ate it's red raw meat with pleasure.

    We must join with the other great predators of Earth and eat meat! Animals should eat animals, not plants. Nobody today speaks of vegetable rights, but just because we are animals doesn't mean that we have the right to oppress other lifeforms. Plants don't speak, but they breathe, procreate, grow and die like us. When you cut down a tree, it bleeds. Who can say it doesn't suffer when the chainsaw cuts through it's veins? Who gave a 40 year old man the right to kill a 700 year old oak? This organism saw it's first sunlight when the black plague was killing the 40 year old's ancestors in Europe in the 1300's. We must protect the silent, lifegiving majority of organisms on this planet!

    Carnivores, unite! Eating meat is not just a way of staying healthy! It is a necessity! Our struggle is being sabotaged by vegans, so we need to eat more meat than ever to compensate for this. These people eat more plants than any other group in society!
  • Joe on March 17, 2004
    You should read the following:
    http://www.wildlifedamagecontrol.com/animalrights/leastharm.htm
  • Heather Moore (View Email) on March 17, 2004
    We at People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) applaud Brittany Moyer for her efforts to educate other young people about veganism and compassion for animals.

    During his or her lifetime, the average American meat-eater is responsible for the abuse and deaths of some 2,618 factory farmed animals, including approximately 2,494 chickens, 82 turkeys, 31 pigs, 11 steers and calves, as well as several thousand fish. By eating only vegan foods, Brittany is personally saving the lives of thousands of animals!

    She is also helping herself by following a vegetarian diet. While many kids her age are facing an obesity epidemic, Brittany can stay healthy by eating cholesterol-free plant-based foods that are generally much lower in fat and calories than animal products.

    These days, veganism is easier— and more mainstream— then ever before. Great-tasting, good-for-you meat and dairy alternatives, such as Boca Burgers, Gardenburger vegetarian sausage, Smart Dogs, Silk soymilk, Hormel vegetarian chili, soy cheese, Morningstar Farms Burger Style Recipe Crumbles, Tofutti non-dairy ice cream, and more, are available in most supermarkets and health food stores Many restaurants also offer a variety of vegetarian options; even Burger King now offers a BK Veggie!

    PETA offers a free vegetarian starter kit, which includes helpful cooking and shopping tips, delicious recipes, resources for dining out, and helpful information on protein, calcium, vitamins, and other nutrients easily obtained from a vegan diet Anyone interested can visit GoVeg.com or call 1-888-VEG-FOOD to order a copy. Caring young people can also visit PETA2.com, PETA’s site specifically for teenagers and young adults, for more information on animal rights and plenty of free literature, stickers, posters, buttons, and more.

    Heather Moore
    Staff Writer
    People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals

  • Sam on March 17, 2004
    Meat rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    But you vegatarians are cool!

    Goooooooooooo meat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • . on March 17, 2004
    While I respect Vegans and veggies, I firmly believe it is my duty as an American to eat good steak and burgers.
  • Meat Monster on March 17, 2004
    M is for meat. Meat is for me.
  • sherri on March 17, 2004
    yay brit this article is greeat :-) it almost makes me want to give up meat (almost) i applaud you for actually going for it!
  • A Little Quahovet on March 17, 2004
    I'm glad to see your really commited to this. People should stick by their beliefs.
  • The Beefmaster on March 18, 2004
    Watching "Meet Your Meat" would probably make me hungry for a burger or some pork chops. Mmmm, real food. Beef, it's what's for dinner.
  • Nixes on March 18, 2004
    Being a Native American and following our beliefs, we're told to respect animals and honor them, even in death when we kill and eat them. We're all brothers and sisters according to Native American beliefs and by the animal that sacrifices itself for our own behalf, we hold much honor and give a prayer to the animal, thanking it before we eat. I have nothing against the eatting of meat and using animal made products, but I do have a problem with the excessive use of it and the discarding of parts of the body. If you're going to kill it, respect it and use everything. Don't let anything go to waste. I don't think that being a vegan or vegaterian will stop these acts performed by mass meat coorporations. Then again, we all float a different boat. I hope you find peace in your life style however :)

    And just so you know, in Africa (I believe maybe some other country) they do eat Parakeets since there are so many of them ;)
  • Josh Balk (View Email) on March 18, 2004
    Brit, great job exposing the truth behind how cruelly animals are raised on factory farms. Because of your article more people have discovered when we eat vegetarian meals we are choosing to support compassion over cruelty.
  • Paul Shapiro (View Email) on March 18, 2004
    This is a great article. Only when people realize how much suffering we cause when we buy meat, eggs, and dairy products will we see vegan eating become the norm. Thanks to Brit for helping bring us a little closer toward that goal!
  • gaverick (View Email) on March 18, 2004
    Good article. Becoming vegan or vegetarian is a great way to prevent cruelty to animals. Here's the video Brittany mentioned: http://www.meetyourmeat.com/
  • *sigh* on March 18, 2004
    It seems so logical... just cut something out of your diet that contains nutrients your body can't easily get somewhere else.

    Oh and by the way, how many animals do you think are killed each year in the harvesting of the grain/vegetables that you eat? Thousands of small rodents, like mice, voles, etc., are killed during the harvesting process, not to mention the countless thousands upon thousands of insects killed using pesticides (oops; guess I just did).

    Decent article; I just disagree with the principle.
  • Healthy on March 18, 2004
    Hamburgers Hotdogs Steak Chicken Porkchops

    Fish Eggs Turkey Beef Seafood Ham.....

    Taste Gooooood!!!!!!!!!!
  • joey on March 18, 2004
    Although I may have called you crazy for doing this Brit (if "may have" means "definitely have all the time"), I agree with everyone who has commended you for your commitment to your newfound principles. If only I was as virtuous as you...however it is actually physically impossible for me to go a week without red meat, and i drink about half a gallon of milk a day, so the whole vegetarian thing (not to MENTION veganism) is kind of out of the question. Awesome writing, awesome spectrum non-hydrogenated margarine spread, awesome cane juice, awesome everything!
  • Sam Levine on March 18, 2004
    great article Brit! Very intuitive. The only fundemental problem i had with it is that meat is just so good. My hat is off to anyone who makes a go at being a vegan. My only real question is, would you be a vegan if you were never allowed to eat meat as a child? Now lord knows Im not in support of sweatshops as a manufactuar of the clothing I wear, but lord also knows, I gotta wear my Sean John!
  • Christian Brown (View Email) on March 18, 2004
    My primary beef (har har) with veganism, really, is that it's an essentially moral issue. The health benefits are basically balanced by the issues it raises - it's no easier to be a healthy vegan than a healthy meatan. But! Veganism is really only an option in wealthy (rich) countries, where you can afford to be picky about your food. This does a few things. First, it places a moral burden on nations where it is essentially impossible to eat vegan. This also applies to past peoples who couldn't avoid it. Second, it assumes that emotional cathexis necessitates moral action - that is, because you are closer to some animals than others, this means that you must work to feel closer to all animals. An example: I cringe when I see deforestation, but this doesn't mean we shouldn't use any wood. It means we need to work on the *methods.* In this case, use of argon chambers on farms instead of messy slaughtering, etc., are methods which are more cost-effective, cleaner, and not nearly as wasteful. That's the direction we need to go in.
  • olivia on March 18, 2004
    i LOVE you brit!!

    you are incredibly talented and should be really, really proud of yourself--maybe i'll stop making fun of you when you eat lunch. i actually don't think veganism is so dumb anymore. you wrote this like a true master, and with a lot of creativity. this article is possibly the best feature i've read all year. congratulations you crazy vegan!
  • mollie on March 18, 2004
    :-)
  • MEAT EATER on March 18, 2004
    EAT MORE MEAT!
  • Orion (View Email) on March 18, 2004
    Oh no, people posted comments about eating meat! Im so offended, me being the whimpy vegan that I am. What will I do now that someone has shoved their love of dead things into my face?

    Um, whats the point of posting comments about loving meat? Are you being somehow provocative or funny? How about providing some actual cognitive arguments beyond the childish "it tastes good"?

    Christian Brown, your point that vegans place a burden on "past peoples who couldnt avoid (meat eating)" and those in the third world is illogical. First, why what does it matter if I place a moral burden on the people of the past? Theyre all gone now anyways, so who cares what I think about them? Secondly, where did you read that all vegans are dogmatic and unaware of the workings of the world? American's ARE the biggest consumers of most of these factory farmed meats and dairy products to begin with, so being "picky" with what we ate would help the enviornment and save the lives of million if not billions of miserable, terrified animals. I can also say with certainty that few educated vegans would condemn a third world family or community for using animal exploitation as a means of necessary survival, as much as that may be hard to swallow. Besides, how are we going to stop them from doing it, and why would THEY care if I thought that way? A vegan world is only something that will succeed if people voluntarily realize the benefits. Finally, while certainly humanity could not have reached our evolutionary status without the use of animals for survival, we've reached the point where we can see that we have alternatives to our diets that can not only lighten our burden on the world, but end the suffering of millions, we should be eager to take it.

    Also *sigh*, your absolutely right that modern harvesting techniques kill animals. So does driving. So does walking. So does riding a bike. Unfortunatly, I cant stop eating vegetables if I want to survive, and until I can grow them on my own, using agri-buisness is my only supply. Also, if you compared the number of rodents that accidentally die in harvesting compared to the number of cows, chickens, pigs, etc., that are intentionally killed in factory farms, there is not really any argument. I know that I cant just stop killing animals, and Im fine with that. I understand that death is a fundemental part of life (so telling me isnt anything shocking). I also understand though that animals have feelings and some even concious, rational thought, and to deprive them of the enjoyment of life is sick and unnessecary.

    remember though, being vegan/vegetarian alone is not enough to end the suffering of our non-human friends.
    You have more power than you think.
  • PETA Hater on March 19, 2004
    PETA is far too extreme. Sorry, but I don't see the value of throwing paint on people who buy fur coats, or boycotting cancer foundations because they do some lab animal testing.

  • Zachurski (View Email) on March 19, 2004
    As a vegan myself, I am glad to see that Silver Chips has taken the time to put up this article. Good work, although there are more things that us vegans can't use/eat besides the ones listed, see http://www.govegan.net/vegannonos.htm for more. :)
  • nelsoni (View Email) on March 19, 2004
    The old argument about small rodents being killed while harvesting fields is skewed. These are accidental deaths, and very regrettable, but are absolutely nowhere near the calculated billions of animals kept in horrific conditions, debeaked without anaesthetic (ducks and broiler chickens), made to suffer their teeth being ripped out (pigs) separated from their mothers, and killed each year for human consumption. Those who say "hey - I'm a meat eater, that's the end of it" must realise that they personally are responsible for the agonies of these innocent animals. They but the "product" and continue the cycle of supply and demand. It is actually extremely easy to go vegetarian at least, and not necessarily just those in rich countries. There are a huge number of people in poor countries (buddists and hindus, for example), who exist on a vegetarian diet.

    Look at yourself, what kind of person you want to be, and make the change
  • Joe on March 19, 2004
    "Also, if you compared the number of rodents that accidentally die in harvesting compared to the number of cows, chickens, pigs, etc., that are intentionally killed in factory farms, there is not really any argument."
    Not true.
    http://www.wildlifedamagecontrol.com/animalrights/leastharm.htm
  • Sergio on March 20, 2004
    Thats right its the 3times a day 7days a week meat eater.

    The reason why I am submitting a comment is because my oponion wasn't fully shown in this article. I don't blame this on Britney since the article was about "Vegans" not "Meat Eaters".

    The thing is that we as human beings get nutrients nessesary for life from plants, animals/fish and fruits. So, to live a healthy life one should eat a relatively balanced diet. Where all the nutrients are found in order to avoid defininces/surpluses and the consecuentent health problems. Meats are a great source of amino acids, specially the 9 that we cannot produce in our bodies and iron. I find it a mistake to completely eliminate meat from our diet, and isntead rely on pills and looking for high-protein foods that are not meats. When it is easier to just eat a steak (it is not nessesary to do it as often as I do). Keep it simple.

    (I know that as I grow older I have to reduce how much meat I eat because too much can lead to major problmes later in life. And I do eat vegetables, and fruits)

    Also have you ever wonder why is meat so tasty and why we crave it so much. It is because through our evolutionary history humans have evolved to like meat. THis is because it gives us the nessesary nutrients hard to find in plant and fruits in sufficient amounts.
  • Jackie H on March 20, 2004
    Great article, Brittany. Although, some of the facts have been misconstrued.
    I'm a meat eater, and proud of it. However, I do applaud those who are vegan/vegetarian for their commitment to keep animal by/products out of their diets. I've recently cut out pork from my diet and it feels great, just chicken and beef and seafood as the meats I choose to eat.
    However, some of you are wrong in saying that these animals are abused so badly. I've been to slaughterhouses and they do stun the animals before they chop their heads off. I've heard things like "they skin them alive' and 'they let them bleed to death.' Not true. You should go to a slaughterhouse before you say such things. Some people in the meat industry do know what decency is. Maybe you should go and take a look see before you open your mouths.
    Also, Brittany, I am so glad that you've decided to take the challenge of being a vegan. I think it's wonderful. It's too bad that you're going to miss out on the great foods that animal by/products afford you, not to mention the tastiness. Good job, and I hope that you are able to keep being a vegan.
  • Joe on March 21, 2004
    "Those who say "hey - I'm a meat eater, that's the end of it" must realise that they personally are responsible for the agonies of these innocent animals."
    And those who claim to be a vegan must realize that by eating fruits and vegetables harvested from crop fields, they are personally responsible for the agonies of THESE innocent animals.
  • John Willmott (View Email) on March 21, 2004
    While I'm not a vegan, I thoroughly support vegan ideas and give major props to anyone who can transition from a non-vegan lifestyle to veganism. And while I do eat meat, I don't exactly feel great about what animals go through during the process from farm to table. It's hard to make the transition after living for so many years with a diet set by parents that is chock full of meat products, and while I am slowly phasing meat out of my diet, there are many people who can't fathom going the rest of their lives without eating another cheeseburger. It's not that they like supporting the suffering caused to cows - they simply have a very hard time eliminating something that has been a staple in their diet for years. Please don't lump all meat eaters into one category of people who ignorantly and maliciously meat in order to cause suffering for farm animals. It's simply not the case.

    Great article, Brit.
  • Lauren (View Email) on March 21, 2004
    I was taught that a vegetarian was someone who abstained from eating animal products, a lacto-ovo vegetarian is someone who drinks milk and eats eggs. I wonder where vegan came from because essentially it's the same as being a true vegetarian. B-12 is also a vitamin that sometimes comes from animals, so be wise to get one that isn't. Also any gel covered supplements are not vegan which might make it tough to get nutrients, and many medications are as well, you should never compromise your health over your morals.
    To prevent anemia resulting from lack of iron you should focus on eating kale and green leafy vegetables, brocolli too, these contain plenty of iron. You should also try to avoid things containing calcium as they can make the iron impossible to get into your bloodstream.
    Not that I disagree with partaking a vegan (vegetarian) lifestyle, but it would have been nice to also mention to meat eaters that it's possible to be less cruel and get free range meat and egg items, not ever hen is treated badly. The majority of this article sounded like PETA propaganda, though effective, it's still just as bad as the milk commercials we see telling us milk is healthy. Good luck.
  • Yoki on March 22, 2004
    Although I agree with the vegan and vegetarian principles, I love meat waaaayy too much to give it up. So pass the burgers, bacon, and steak, cuz I'm bout eat me some cows and pigs!!
  • Stephanie on March 22, 2004
    Well, bieng hospitalized for a long time it just wasn't fun at all. I, truthfully don't like meat. I dislike it a lot but i had to eat it because for my complications to anemia, i didn't have enough iron in my blood, cold hands, fainting, a lot of dizziness. So now I have to take a lot of vitamins and eat a lot of greens. I really don't care if you guys like meat. Fine, you like meat. But as for me im vegeterian. I mean seeing animals bieng slaughtered, its like people taking your pets away, your pets who you love dearly, and you'd see infront of your eyes, these people slautering them. I mean I would be pretty mad if they slautered my cat, and while they're doing that , his still concience.
    I believe animals have feelings, and they have needs just like people do. But for me seeing animals killed and slaughtered, seeing photos, + graphic movies it just makes me feel bad, and pretty sad. I know i can't go to a factory farm and tell them to stop killing chickens, cows, pigs, ducks, etc. . . Because they have feelings and they just shouldn't do that, but if I get the chance to keep different types of animals i would do because I love animals. All I can say is that if you want to be vegan just eat alot of greens and take iron, calcium, vitamins. I love animals, just like i said before, and i'll try to do whatever to help them. But if I can't then, I can't which really sucks!
    (don't know i probably turn vegan again)
  • yay brit on March 22, 2004
    jackie h, first off, the video that she references in the article (which i have seen too) gives solid facts and takes place in a slaughterhouse. i think brit did a great job 'taking a look and seeing before she opened her mouth,' and i think it is abnoxious for you to think you know more about the issue than someone who has clearly put a lot of research into the subject of veganism.

    congrats brit on the amazing article, and good luck with your vegan challenge. after reading the article, i have restarted my vegetarianism. great job!
  • ... on March 22, 2004
    To everyone who said that you need to eat meat: A healthy, nutritionally complete vegan diet is definitely possible. Do a little research before you make statements like that.
    I am vegan. It may be difficult, and I have to pay close attention to my diet, and eating at restaurants is nearly impossible. But I make these sacrifices because I believe that factory farming practices are disgusting and unnatural. Why would I support that kind of suffering when I don't have to?
  • Joe on March 22, 2004
    Is that why no one cares to acknowledge the fact that field animals die in crop harvesting? Because there are no pictures or movies of that? The world is not just what you see on TV, folks.
  • Blazer3D on March 22, 2004
    "Every day a vegitarian has to face up to one fact... broccoli tastes like broccoli,
    but meat tastes like murder, and murder tastes pretty DARN GOOD DON'T IT?!"

    The Great Dennis Leary
  • PETA - Promotion of Extremist on March 22, 2004
    Check these articles to find out what PETA is really about:

    http://www.consumerfreedom.com/oped_detail.cfm?OPED_ID=145

    http://www.sierratimes.com/03/08/07/ar_elf_peta.htm

    http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0203/peta_ass.asp

    Here are some other great things PETA is accomplishing with some of the money it saves from tax-exemption:
    * In 2001, PETA gave a direct contribution of $1,500 to the North American Earth Liberation Front to "support their program activities." Berman notes that ELF has taken credit for "activities" such as the firebombing of a Vail, Colo., ski resort that resulted in $12 million damage.

    * PETA also gave $5,000 last year to the "Josh Harper Support Committee" to defend an ALF activist convicted of assaulting a police officer.

    * In 1999, PETA gave $2,000 to David Wilson, then spokesman for the ALF, who acknowledged that his group had taken part in "actions like the one in Vail."

    * In 1995, PETA made a $45,200 contribution to the support committee for Rodney Coronado, a convicted arsonist who firebombed a research facility at Michigan State University. The group also had made a $25,000 unreturned loan to Coronado's father the previous year.

    If you would like to sign a petition to revoke PETA's tax exemption, go here: http://www.consumerfreedom.com/petaPetition.cfm

    PETA is a terrorist organization who must be stopped! Despite its deceptively warm-and-fuzzy public image, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) has donated over $150,000 to criminal activists -- including those jailed for arson, burglary, and even attempted murder
  • Christian Brown (View Email) on March 23, 2004
    Real quick question for all you veganizers:

    How about humane techniques that are being developed? That is, essentially painless, quick, clean deaths in sanitary conditions. Are they morally deplorable too?
  • *sigh* on March 23, 2004
    Being a vegan is fine. I'm just tired of the "holier-than-thou" speech.

    I'd give it up, Joe. People aren't very open to information that goes against their beliefs (assuming they can't refute it).

    Jackie, of course the video took place in a slaughterhouse. A. One. The vast majority of slaughterhouses treat their animals according to regulations. But a by-the-books slaughterhouse wouldn't make very good PETA propaganda.

    Lauren, since when isn't milk healthy?
  • cowboysRule on March 23, 2004
    whoa this is getting pretty heated. excellent.

    christian...
    that's similar to asking someone who's against the death penalty whether they would be less opposed to death by lethal injection than by a firing squad. it's still murder, my man, still murder. (that dennis leary quote is hilarious) so yea, i'd say the answer to that one is probably not, depending on how hard-core vegan you are of course.

    oh and christian, free will exists!
  • Lauren (View Email) on March 23, 2004
    last time I checked the milk of a female in whatever species was meant for the babies of the same species and usually that females offspring. You feed a cat cows milk it will get sick, you feed a human whole cows milk it will get fat. The majority of the milk available comes from factory cows, who've been pumped full of hormones to contine lactating and pump out more milk, and all those drugs to keep them from getting sick so the milk is off. Plus it gets other things in it from the cow like blood and pus sometimes, even if that is all homogenized out, I find it kind of gross. The only thing that milk has going for it is calcium, which you can get in almost anything now like orange juice.
  • An ethical thinker on March 24, 2004
    *sigh*- some believe that humans shouldn't drink milk past infancy because it is unnatural. there is some interesting stuff at this website...http://www.milksucks.com/index2.html.

    to jackie h and others who will argue that the "majority" of slaughterhouses do process animals according to "regulation," think about this: the fact that a person is at all able to watch the sickening images that are shown in the "meat your meat" video speaks for itself. it doesn't matter if it is happening in every slaughterhouse or not; the fact that that brutality occurs at all is so completely wrong. plus, there are so many loopholes in the current meat-processing regulations in america anyway that an animal processing plant running "according to regulation" is not difficult to do.

    it's a little ironic to think that a society which reprimands manslaughter and murder among the people can overlook the mass killing of organisms who leave and breath just like we do. what makes us think that we as humans are so supreme to be able to subject so many animals to such unnatural lives, only to cruelly kill them in the end?

    good job, Brittany. this is a great article.
  • regarding PETA on March 24, 2004
    after reading this article, i don't get the impression that the author of this article is a PETA-praiser in the least. i personally believe in the morals of veganism, and i ddef don't love PETA. HOWEVER, PETA shares a belief with me that we shouldn't rabidly be killing animals as we do today.

    to the person who posted all that anti-PETA stuff, you are right that PETA is pretty extremist. but the fact that they are taking a stand against such animal cruelty should count for just as much as anything else. and in this article, PETA seems to be used fairly as an entity that supports vegetarianism and veganism, as well as anything that limits the amount of animals being killed to end up on our plates and subsequently in america's flabby arms and bulging love handles. so maybe you should back off a little, eh?
  • Christian Brown (View Email) on March 24, 2004
    See I just think it's just as arbitrary to draw the "eating things" line at animals. How about insects? Is killing a termite, coating it in chocolate and eating it murder? If so, what about ladybugs? They have, quite literally, no brain, only an extremely simplistic stimulus-response system that is 100% instinct. I choose to draw my "eating things is A-OK" line right below humans. Personal choice. But sentience, or consciousness, or being-ness, is a continuum, not a black-and-white deal. No matter where you draw the line there'll be something sketchy about it.

    Also, cowboysRule - I agree. Free will exists. Your definition of free will is wrong, my friend. =)
  • A realist thinker on March 24, 2004
    Any animal that has a limbic system (a part of the brain) is capable of emotions. All mammals have one.

    I don't believe in the morals of veganism. Although they sounds holier-than-thou, meats, milk, etc, have always been a part of our diet. The result from not eating it is being hospitalized or having a hard time making sure you get enough vitamin B12, iron and proteins, etc, to live. And an even harder time if you want to weight lift or engage any other heavy phisical activity. (The body demands much more protein when building muscle, and more iron is needed since there are more redblood cells that need to supply oxigen)


    It is true, seeing animals being killied is disgusting, and extremely sad at the same time. And many people ask "Why would I support that kind of suffering when I don't have to?" (question by "...") The answer is simple, we are on TOP OF THE FOOD CHAIN. Killing animals is the only way to get meat, and have them emprisoned is the best way to get milk and eggs. This is no different than hunting for food, and stealing eggs in the wild. Either way the animal is dead. The only different is that the modern way is much more efficient, but still brutal. (If this sounds harsh, them I am sorry for the ROUGHNESS OF THE TRUTH)

    If people want to decrease "animal suffering" the best way is to work to make sure regulations are being enforced, and create less painful killing techniques. Stoping to eat meat or burning a farm ain't gonna help.
  • Lauren (View Email) on March 24, 2004
    Actually as we are on top of the food chain, we get the least amount of energy because we are third tertiary consumers. If a plant has the most amount of energy and a smaller animal eats it, they don't get the same amount of energy, this continues when a small mammal eats the small animal and then we eat the small mammal.
    To realist thinker, I never knew our anscestors had domesticated cows around to drink milk from, any proof of this? Even if it was true they did much more work than modern humans will ever do, how many people do you know they hunt and kill their own game without the aid of guns. You can also get iron, B12, and protein without meat or milk, so don't say that you must eat milk, eggs, and meat to get them.
  • Nicki on March 25, 2004
    Meat is tasty! It is really good. How can yall not like meat?!
  • Lauren (View Email) on March 25, 2004
    Vegetables, fruits, bread, oh geez even fake meats are tasty, how can I possibly not want to eat an animal when I have so few options right...
  • Former Blazer on March 25, 2004
    Brittany: If you want to explain all the benefits of living a vegan lifestyle, fine. I'm not going to be swayed by the vegan appeal, but I suppose I could understand how others would. But I draw the line when you cite PETA's figures regarding what would happen if the entire world population became vegan. Yes, that hypothetical statistic is impressive, but is it even worth mentioning considering there is not a remote possibility of converting even one percent of the world population into vegans? Basically, if you want to try veganism for the health benefits, more power to you. But any vegan who feels he/she is taking a step towards saving the world's hunger crisis needs a serious reality check.
  • Jackie H on March 25, 2004
    First off, 'yay brit,' I wasn't telling Brittany to watch what she says, I was talking to others. Also, did you not see what I wrote 'I've been to slaughterhouses..' Exactly, you didn't. I also congratulated Brittany on choosing to become a vegan. Of course, the video is gonna show you how animals are being slaughtered. The blood, the death. DUH! i mean, really, if someone can watch all of that (especially in person) and still eat meat, then leave em alone. Such as myself. If you don't like meat, then you don't like meat. Who are you to say that eating meat is wrong? Don't impose your beliefs on unwilling people. Also, PETA does do alot of good, I don't think that PETA is extreme, like others have already commented.
  • orion (View Email) on March 26, 2004
    Jackie, how can you say we're imposing our beliefs on you? Can't you still go to the store and buy any of these products that you desire? Also *sigh*, where has anyone on this message board or article made comments that would make you think "holier-than-thou"? It sounds more like thats what you think all this is saying, by making it seem as though vegans are not already always on the defensive when it comes to their beliefs.

    Former Blazer: Your right that being vegan isnt going to challenge the worlds hunger crisis. There is much more to the reasons that people starve than lack of food. You can also take a nihilistic viewpoint on things and say that it isnt going to change anything, but then nothing individuals can do is, so whats the point in doing anything? Well, you can always hope and do as much as you can, because the more people that go vegan, the less demand exists for products that destroy the enviornment and cause undue suffering.

    saying PETA is extremist is really laughable when actually look at them in comparison to other aspects of the animal rights movement. Im not one who advocates attacking humans, but do any research on the Animal Liberation Front (whom consumerfreedom.com claims is connected to PETA, but is sorely mistaken), and you'll come up with a much stronger argument on the "violence" we crazy vegans are capable of.
  • orion on March 27, 2004
    pardon me, the Animal Liberation Front does not and has never attacked human targets. I apologize for the misinformation. The ALF focuses solely on the release of captive animals and the destruction of corporate property. To cause any physical or extreme emotional injury would be in defiance of vegan practice. Sorry to have to go back and correct this. Im not interested in having a discussion on the ALF, just pointing out that PETA really isnt that radical.
  • to orion on March 28, 2004
    I believe that the articles the really anti-PETA guy posted were more attacking the Earth Liberation Front, which does burn down people's homes, vandalizing cars, burning car dealerships, etc. ELF does not deny these actions; they openly claim responsibility for them, and even boast about them on their website: http://earthliberationfront.com/doa/

    Honestly, ELF has a worthy cause, but they won't get many followers by taking such harsh and just plain mean actions. I happily support EarthFirst!, and half support PETA, but I simply cannot fully support anybody who is the main contributor of funds for an organization that scares away more possible supporters from its cause than it recruits.
  • Cami (View Email) on March 28, 2004
    I am new at being a vegan and its hard to do I go to the libary and web site and I want to thank you guys for being there for me and for others who see what we are doing to the world we live in so please keep up the good work

  • *sigh* on March 28, 2004
    Every vegan who has claimed that a vegan lifestyle saves more animal lives than does a meat-inclusive diet:

    http://www.wildlifedamagecontrol.com/animalrights/leastharm.htm

    Go there. Read arguments. Refute. (Contradicting myself, Joe, but I don't think they will anyway).
  • S.J.G. on March 31, 2004
    i am a meat eater and i probably won't ever be anything otherwise. however, if some people choose to not use animal products, more power to them. for people who want to continue eating meat, but are concerned about animal cruelty there are more humane alternatives to the major meat "producing" companies. companies that sell organic meat treat their animals much better than the businesses that provide meat to say, mcdonalds and safeway. not only are the animals usually given an open grazing area, they aren't pumped up with steroids, antibiotics or other harmful chemicals. they are killed more humanely too. granted, the animals are still being killed, so organic and kosher meat isn't completely cruelty free. it's still better than eating "chemically enhanced" meats though.
  • cowboysRule on April 8, 2004
    aight i have a question for *sigh* and that source.

    "So, every time the tractor goes through the field to plow, disc, cultivate, apply fertilizer and/or pesticide, harvest, etc., animals are killed... So perhaps fewer animals would be killed by producing beef, lamb, and dairy products for humans to eat instead of the vegan diet envisioned by Regan."

    taking all that at face-value... it sounds pretty sketchy. you're comparing the number of domesticated animals killed to the number of wild animals killed (animals who aren't kept there). these mice and other rodents aren't bred to be slaughtered... they're just chilling out in the fields, having a good time, when ol' trusty the tractor messes them up, unintentionally. you don't attack drivers of automobiles (do you?) that accidentally run over a squirrel, but those two situations are very comparable. the farmers' intent is not to slaughter the rodents, it's just a sad byproduct of technology. with domesticated animals, though, the animals are born and raised to be killed and packaged. i see that as an inherent difference.

    basically, in the beautifully crafted Wild Life Control propaganda... a mouse run over by a tractor by accident amounts to the same death and horror that is humanity as a cow getting electrocuted (but not quite dying) and then getting chopped up for food... and the people who did it meant to do it. i dont like that comparison one bit.
  • Outdoorsman on April 9, 2004
    Ever hiked for extrnded periods of time (4+ days). I do, it's fun, you get to see the significance of nature in all its glory. Also if you want to survive you and going to have to eat meat. One of my friends, was vegan when we went on a week trek in colorado and now is a meat eater, due to the fact that his pack foods keep him going for only 2 days b/c of the stress of long term movement. Eating meat is what humans have been doind for 2.5 million years and its what we will remain doing. Though when I kill and eat animals I use a Bow and have always put the animal down in seconds, yes i dont think they should suffer, yet trying to eat zero aminal products is impossible. And for the Peta people who think animals are our friends, well dogs and cats yes but thats about it. I have been attacked by 4 alligators, brushed by a sand shark, and chased twich by black bears that i know first hand that eating meat is what all living things do (and i was just hiking and scuba diving minding my own bussiness when these animals got hungary).
    Also, animal testing leads to the prodution of incilne, cure for hepatitus a and b, small pocks, whoop and cough, and have lead to the development of prostetic hips, shoulders, and limbs.
    PS- a vice-pres of peta uses inciline (tested on animal and made using animals) everyday.
  • Lauren (View Email) on April 10, 2004
    If humans were supposed to eat meat, and you use your friends hiking as an example, than that must meanm we are only supposed to eat meat when we do such strenuous activity. For someone who sits all day at a computer, drives home, and watched tv, how is eating meat in any way healthy? If you go on a trek outdoors for a week you are burning more calories than any average american during the same amount of time, you do need more nutrients and you could easily get them elsewhere, but the situations are completely different. Also to say that '[you] know firsthand that eating meat is what all living things do' you are out of your mind or only focusing on carnivores and omnivores, which are animals we tend to not eat. It is possible to be a living creature and not eat meat, just look at most herbivores. Also I can only assume humans were made to eat meat and have always done it, to bring up a modern medicine that uses animal products is off kilter with the rest of your argument, if humans have survived this long without a modern medicine we obviously DON'T need it. And surely an animal free version will be created eventually.
    Also the phrase 'I was just hiking and scuba diving minding my own business' is a lie, to mind your own business you would stay out of a wild animals habitat, knowing full well that they exist there and only in said habitats you would be knowingly heading into their space.
  • your mini-support group on April 13, 2004
    Brit~ i am eating some soy ice cream...i love it. come over cuz i have lots more! chocolate, cookies'n'cream...yummmm
  • *sigh* on April 14, 2004
    "Also the phrase 'I was just hiking and scuba diving minding my own business' is a lie, to mind your own business you would stay out of a wild animals habitat."

    So humans should never, ever venture into nature at all, because we are obviously not part of it? Should we rot in cities that pollute said precious environment? Or should we cast off all evidence of civilization and run naked into the wilderness? Humans. Are. Natural. We evolved alonside nature. Obviously in some ways we gave "grown apart" from nature, but that sure doesn't mean we can't enjoy the outdoors by exploring it.
  • Frank Washburn on April 16, 2004
    "Producing meat, a food high up on the food chain, requires much more energy and many more natural resources than crops do; the beef in just one Big Mac represents enough wheat to make five loaves of bread.

    It is estimated that if everyone adopted a vegetarian diet and no food was wasted, current food production could theoretically feed ten billion people, which is more than the projected population for the year 2050, according to PETA."

    This statistic isn't really correct. Of that wheat, germ, plant matter etc. etc. that "could theoretically feed ten billion people,"....how much of it is fit for human consumption? I don't know the exact statistic - but not all of it is. Certainly not even half. But if someone gives an exact statistic with a credible source, I'll stand corrected.

    Furthermore, our problem isn't a problem of having enough food - it's the distribution of it. Spain has a holiday in which cities throw, what, two tons of tomatos at each other? Don't even try to say that the world doesn't have enough food - it does. The problem is that something like 1/3 of Americans are obese, gorging themselves on food while other people starve. Again, if anyone can correct this statistic, I welcome them to, but I remember learning in class that America has 1/4 of the world's population, but uses more than 40% of the world's resources.

    By the way, I'm not blasting America - I'm just pointing out the inequities of the world and our highly affluent lifestyle.
  • Frank on April 16, 2004
    "If only I was as virtuous as you..."

    "When shopping for my new diet at the natural-food store, I run into a fellow vegan soldier who encourages my reconnaissance of the vegan territory."

    THIS is why there seems to be a "holier-than-thou" tone to this article and the posts following it.

    A soldier, eh? So we're the enemy?

    I respect your choice to eat whatever you want to eat. What I want to eat, however, is my business, and the tone of this article is rather condescending towards non-vegetarians. I'm not going to feel bad about eating an animal lower on the food chain unless a tiger/bear/shark shed some tears for me when they eat ME.

    And by the way, I am ADAMANTLY pro-environment. Rampant deforestation, blatant unconcern about a future without hundreds of plant/animal species, terrible waste of resources - they all sicken me. I just wanted to make that known, so no one accuses me of not loving my fellow mammals or anything like that.
  • Frank on April 16, 2004
    "And I didn't suffer during these several weeks of veganism, except when watching slaughter sequences on tape and scratching my head on how to push veganism to a scale large enough to tackle world hunger."

    Again....the problem is not availability of food, its the distribution of it.

    And as for our ancestors never having any domesticated cows to drink milk from...read "Guns, Germs, and Stell" by Diamond (I don't remember his first name).

    [Editor's Note: The author's first name is Jared]
  • Lauren (View Email) on April 17, 2004
    not that this string of comments hasn't just flogged a dead horse...
    " Humans. Are. Natural. We evolved alonside nature" vs. "Should we rot in cities that pollute said precious environment?"
    We created cities to NOT be in the wild, we gave wild animals specific places to be like preserves and national forests with strict regulations on humans. We created these spaces for them so that they could be at peace. If an animal leaves said environment and comes into a nearby town, it gets shot or tranquilized, if a human goes into a wild game preserve they can be mauled, or cause destruction. Maybe our hunter friend was not on preserved land or at a national park prohibiting the very things humans do, cause destruction.
    Humans ventured out of true nature a very long time ago 'sigh'. What 'outdoorsman' was doing was not simply exploring so please don't put it that way, if I explored the way he did in a place full of humans, I'd be arrested.
  • kitzy (View Email) on June 29, 2004
    Hi,
    Simply trying to find your soynuts, they are the greatest. I found them at )bhelieve it or not) the 99cent store, but have not been able to find them anywhere else. Being a vegan they are one of my favorite "treats". Can you tell me where I can find your soynuts and other products in the Orange county area. I have tried all of the ordinary places (i.e. Mothers, Wid Oats, Henris and so far nothing....)Please tell me how to purchase you soynut snacks and other things, thank you, Kitzy
  • Suzie (View Email) on January 5, 2005 at 12:06 PM
    Frank, are you justifying your behavior to that of a shark? *scoff* Hypocrit.
  • Al (View Email) on January 19, 2005 at 12:09 AM
    I'm new to vegeterianism and working my way to veganism. I cut out all meat as well as eggs and dairy from my diet. eventually I plan to make my own vegan bred and soap so that I will no longer be supporting the exploiting of animals.
    There is one thing I really wonder about... What happened in the history of nature, for us to have an herbivore body and yet have no natural resources to feed our body of complex B12 vitamin(which is needed for our survival)? Where does the B12 suplements from the shelves come from?? would it be possible to conveniently extract our own???
  • Jennifer Ware (View Email) on February 7, 2005 at 12:43 PM
    Nice site. I think that you should put how to write a con side of a debate on the subject. Isn't it awesome that we care enough about the animals that we are doing this. At least we are doing something unlike some people who are doing nothing.
  • bryan (View Email) on February 14, 2005 at 3:34 PM
    Al,

    i was really confused about the whole b12 thing for a while but after researching it, i've come to this conclusion. we don't get b12 from non-animal foods because our food is too clean. humans, in their natural state, get b12 from bacteria common in nature. through chemicals in our food and compulsive cleaning of food, we don't get it anymore. animals eat unclean food, getting b12 in their bodies, and then people eat the animals. you can get b12 frmo sprouts and it is supplimented in many amazing foods, like nutritional yeast and rice milk, so you don't have to be a robot, popping pills for nutrition.
  • Clare (View Email) on February 21, 2005 at 8:40 AM
    Hello my name is Clare Jupp and I am a food and nutrition at Richard Collyer’s college in Horsham. I am currently doing a piece of coursework on vegetarians and the health implications that their selective diets can generate. I was wondering if you could spare the time to answer a question of mine, as any information you could provide me with would be greatly appreciated.
    Thank you.

    We are recently being made aware of how beneficial vegetarians diets are and how they can prevent against various illnesses and diseases as well as high blood pressure and high cholesterol levels. However, this is only providing that a vegetarian diet is both healthy and well balanced. What about diets that aren’t healthy and well balanced? What nutrient deficiencies/ potential health implications are people who lead these sorts of diets making themselves susceptible to and how do they affect their general state of health?
  • prepare it for me (View Email) on March 28, 2005 at 1:23 PM
    who has time to be a v-tarian? you have to eat plants allllllllll day!!! it takes all your energy. whats left for work and study??
  • Canaduck on July 31, 2006 at 10:34 PM
    As a vegan, I'd like to say that this was a very well-written article. Nicely researched. The people who fight you with idiotic comments to the contrary are simply insecure with their meat-eating and deal with it by lashing out.
  • jake (View Email) on February 14, 2007 at 2:16 AM
    Nice article.
    It's good to see the lack of bias, though the "soldier" reference could be misconstrued as elitist, I trust the author's intentions were purely defined by the commitment to veganism, and not with the purpose of creating segregation.
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