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July 29, 2002

Blair Advanced Placement exam scores high

by Kevin Chang, Page Editor
Blair students scored well on the 2001-2002 Advanced Placement (AP) exams.

According to guidance counselor Alan Campbell, 92% of Blair students' scores were 3 or above. "92% is pretty good," he said. The total number of Maryland students scoring 3 or above was 68.4%.

Campbell said that 74.7% of all scores were 4 or above, and 47.7% of scores were 5's.

Statewide, 36.8% of test-takers identifying themselves as "Black/African American" scored 3 or higher; 67.6% of test-takers identifying themselves as Latino (all categories) scored 3 or more. Nationally, the numbers are 31.2% and 52.5%, respectively. These calculations do not include students who chose "Other" as their race or did not mark their race.

Results for Blair broken down by magnet/CAP/on-level groupings and racial groupings were unavailable.

AP exams are administered each May by the College Board, which claims that AP courses correspond to introductory-level college courses.

The highest possible AP score is 5, which is the equivalent of "extremely well qualified" according to the College Board. The lowest possible score is 1, which is the equivalent of no recommendation. Many colleges give students credits, exemptions, or other benefits for scores of 3 or higher on an AP exam.

According to the College Board, a student who earns a 5 on an AP exam would receive an A in the corresponding college course, a student who earns a 4 would get a B, and so on.



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  • Joseph Hawkins (View Email) on July 30, 2002
    Watch out Blair is slipping. The previous report on Blair showed 95% with scores 3 or higher.

    But the really important question for Blair is: HOW ARE THE KIDS OF COLOR PERFORMING ON THESE EXAMS? I bet one can drive a Mac Truck through the achievement gap at Blair High School.

    J. Hawkins
    A concerned county taxpayer
  • joe howley (View Email) on July 30, 2002
    A tank, comrade Hawkins.
    Seriously, I have to agree with that comment. Honestly - I'm betting most of the kids taking APs are CAP/Magnet students, because they've been groomed for it and it's on their "track," so to speak. And, as Chips reported last year, CAP and Magnet are overwhelmingly white and asian. Saying that Blair students did well on APs actually says little about performance at the school as a whole and certainly not the state of the achievement gap.
  • Kevin Liu (View Email) on July 30, 2002
    Go Blair :)
    But as a note, I think the College Board officially designates a 1 as "No recommendation" rather than "Not Qualified".
  • Kevin Fang (View Email) on July 30, 2002
    Word.

    and just so this comment doesn't get dismissed as being irrelavent, the stats should show the percentage of the school (excluding cap and magnet) that took AP exams as compared to other schools, and the percentage of 3 or higher for those people. This statistic really shows nothing if FOR EXAMPLE 80% of that 92% was from the cap and magnet and 80% of the 8% that got 1's and 2's was from the general school.
  • Resident Cynic (02) on July 31, 2002
    Be careful about using the phrase 'kids of color.' Asians are certainly 'of color,' and according to most they're doing pretty well.

    I believe special programs should be moved to their own school. It would disillusion many administrators and parents to see how 'normal' students are doing without taking into account GT/Magnet/CAP/IB-like programs.

    I would like to see the percentages for 4 or higher.
  • Jared Sagoff (View Email) on July 31, 2002
    Mr. Cynic --

    The whole "point" of a magnet program (which encompasses both the Magnet and CAP) is to draw students from more affluent areas of the county and who have the highest test scores to help out w/the statistics of a school in a poorer area whose students do not achieve the same results. The point is to bring up the scores of low-performing schools by offering high-performing students special classes that act as incentives.
  • joe howley (View Email) on July 31, 2002
    ...which does an amazing amount of very little to help the "lower-performing" kids, Jared. Hmm. Something's wrong with this whole system.
  • Alan Briggs (View Email) on August 1, 2002
    It is difficult to appreciate from the limited information in this article just how well Blair students fared overall. It would be more interesting to provide a clear statistical profile of how many students took AP examinations and provide a baselined view of the level of success attained across the entire student population? In other words, these apparently good results would become less impressive in the situation where fewer students take the AP examinations.

    (In contrast - in a school "Challenge Index" compiled by Jay Mathews, Washington Post, for example, the key measure developed is simply the number of AP or IB courses taken by a student without any regard to examination success.)
  • Jared Sagoff (View Email) on August 1, 2002
    The "system" is designed to raise the numbers of the school as a whole, not of the individual students. It's a numbers game, not a plan designed to help the lower-performing students. The goal of these specialty programs is not to bolster performance of the lower-performing kids. It's to raise the average by raising the sample size, not by working with what you have.
  • Kevin Chang on August 1, 2002
    Resident Cynic (02) said: "I believe special programs should be moved to their own school. It would disillusion many administrators and parents to see how 'normal' students are doing without taking into account GT/Magnet/CAP/IB-like programs."

    That's a pretty irresponsible comment... people always assume Magnets and CAPs and otherwise "gifted" (what a stupid term) students have it all easy, with no problems to speak of for all of life, but it's really not true. And it's not right to segregate us into our own little school and deprive us of Blair's unique atmosphere and opportunities. That goes even more true for CAP students, since they're in the Blair cluster anyways.

    I don't think anyone would be disillusioned if we the magnet/CAP scores were seperated from the rest of the scores; people expect "normal kids," as you said, to do worse. Put another way, it's still a problem, but I don't think it'd surprise anyone.

    In other news, we're trying to get more information from the College Board and Blair about scores, but we haven't gotten a response yet.
  • Adedeji Ogunfolu (View Email) on August 2, 2002
    Whatever blockhead wrote that children of color are underperforming does not know the circumstances of their performance. I am a black student at blair high school in CAP, and I am doing just fine. It's people like u who give children of color lower levels of self esteem to perform well in school, which doesn't mean that they are incapable or stupid in any way. When teachers demonstrate their venemous inability to recognize a students performance capability based on race (especially black or Hispanic) students lose confidence in themselves to do well, and now u see a steady trend of students who think that it is "sohphisticated" or "Worldy" to do badly in school. I know exactly how they feel and frankly whoever wrote that ridiculous comment must be white, because white people have it a hell of a lot easier than a lot of minorities in the US, and to not take into account the racial tensions in the Washington Metropolitan area is both irresponsable and almost SAVAGE!!!!! If u have such virulent opinions and view points, maybe u and ur "taxpayer's" dollars and hit the road JACK!!
    A Proud African American student
  • joe howley (View Email) on August 2, 2002
    Adedeji - first, read what you wrote. Aside from the matter of "u," what's really important there is that you are in the CAP - and thus you are at a major educational advantage. That's the real issue when it comes to these test scores at Blair, and there is a clear racial disproportion in the CAP and Magnet alike.
  • Resident Cynic (02) on August 3, 2002
    Adedeji:
    What is unfortunate, however, is that there IS an achievement gap. Perhaps you are doing great, as are many other students 'of color' (as Mr. Hawkins calls them), perhaps you don't feel there's a problem. But statistically, blacks and hispanics tend not to perform as well as whites and asians.

    The solution is not to point to those that are successful and block out the problem simply because of racial pride. The solution is to recognize the situation for what it is and work to improve that situation.

    In fact, you, as a successful student of a race that is profiled as 'underachieving' should be more concerned about this underperformance than anybody else. Instead of insulting those that try to bring the problem to light, perhaps you'd like to consider how to solve the problem.

    And just for the record, I am not white.

    Irresponsible? Mr. Chang, I was a Magnet student. I know all about how that life is. I know about the problems, about being classified as socially ungifted and nerdy. I know about people being frustrated at and jealous of our success (as written in Elizabeth Green's Asian profiling article in SC).

    It wouldn't be segregation, it would be placing students with other students of similar mindset and ability. From my point of view, being in a Magnet school would not 'deprive' me of anything. In fact, there are several completely Magnet schools around the country that are very good at turning out successful students at ever-increasing rates.

    It would have to depend on the results if anybody was surprised. While we all anticipate that 'normal' students would do worse, perhaps the results will show that they did worse than we dared to have thought, or perhaps they did better than we dared to hope. Either way.

    At any rate, my comment about moving the Magnet to it's own school was an impulse comment, resulting from a desire to protect such students from some of the crap they have to put up with from normal students simply because they are Magnet.

    If this offends anybody, I apologize in advance.
  • Adedeji Ogunfolu (View Email) on August 3, 2002
    I highly regret sounding so truculent when I wrote my comment. The problem is that white and Asian people don't deal with the hostilities that 'students of color' deal with on a daily basis. I am concerned about this problem just as much as the next person.....even moreso in fact. But programs aren't the only things that will remedy the problem, there have to be complete understandings between teachers and students at Mongomery Blair High School, and that is not there. Teachers should not be discrinatory against students and I saw it on a daily basis during the school year! I just think there is lack of respect between the people at our high school and something needs to be done about it!
  • Kevin Chang on August 3, 2002
    Adedeji, you've got a good point about teachers; I asked my journalism teacher to sign a pass a few years ago and he said "oh, security doesn't stop Asian guys with planbooks." I doubt that's official policy or anything, but you have a good point on the problem. You said, "something needs to be done about it!" What can we do about it? If you have a plan, I'll work with you.

    Resident Cynic (02), sure, lots of exclusively magnet schools turn out intelligent people, Intel finalists, and whatever other "smart" labels you want to attach. But they don't get to be in the "real world" with normal people, which isn't a good thing. How will you be able to interact with people if you spend all of high school with a bunch of magnets? Not that there's anything wrong with magnets, but everyone's different, and magnets are a rather homogeneous bunch.
  • Adedeji Ogunfolu (View Email) on August 3, 2002
    Basically, all I have to say is everybody needs a chance! There are increasing racial tensions between students of different racial groups, and everybody has their different stereotypes about each other. I admit that I use to have stereotypes about certain people, but as you get out of..........Elementary School, you earn to overcome such tendancies to prejudge people. I don't know if there is a plan that will remedy all of the academic problems that are linked racially. I just have to say that anyone that has a plan to combat this problem...please post a reasonable suggestion! Kevin, you got me. I cannot even begin to think of how to adress the problem effectively. All I know is there needs to be change. Maybe as world society matures in the near future, people will see that judging people based on ethinical orientation is absurd and childish behavior! I would do anything to help with a solution!
  • Mathwin on August 13, 2002
    Re comment policy- change invasions of privacy to invasion of privacy.
  • graduated2001 on August 15, 2002
    i know im jumping in this discussion all late, but i only wanted to add one thing. jared mentioned the "more affluent areas of the county" when he discussed the magnet and CAP and where they came from, and that really bothered me... i dont think intelligence and wealth are necessarily correlated at all... that was a really ignorant thing to say.
  • Jeremy Hoffman (View Email) on August 15, 2002
    Wealth and intelligence may or may not be correlated. That's not what Jared said, though. He said, "The whole 'point' of a magnet program . . . is to draw students from more affluent areas of the county and who have the highest test scores to help out w/ the statistics of a school in a poorer area whose students do not achieve the same results." He was referring to the correlation between wealth and test scores. It has been pretty well established that students from higher income levels generally perform better in high school and on standardized tests.

    A quick search on Google yielded these examples:
    http://www.bced.gov.bc.ca/whatshappening/nr/nr2001/nr-ib03-01.html
    http://www.nsf.gov/sbe/srs/seind00/access/c5/c5s3.htm

    Please note that I'm not blaiming the students from lower socioeconomic levels in any way. These are just the facts.

    Although plenty of Magnet/CAP students are not from "more affluent areas of the county", I'm positive that the average family income of Magnet students is significantly higher than the average family income of Blair students as a whole. I'm also positive that Magnets generally perform better than non-Magnets. Again, I'm not saying that this is a good thing in any way, but this is just the way things stand. I think calling Jared ignorant for making this point was innappropriate.
  • A plain old Blair student on August 16, 2002
    No one likes to admit to the achievement gap between certain races, but it is there and it can't be ignored. Although I recognize that it is there, I'm not going to claim that I actually know how it feels to be a minority who has to deal with it, because I'm white. I'm not a magent or cap, my parents never helped me with my homework, and i got a 4 and a 5 on the APs I took, so it can be done. U don't have to be a magnet or CAP, you just need ambition, and that is what a majority of the Blair population lacks.
  • someone who knows on August 16, 2002
    Not all megnets are bad. But i will say that they can be so shallow to the point that they measure a person by their SAT score.
  • Kevin Chang on August 16, 2002
    "someone," do you actually knwo any magnets who make friends or decide who's "good" and who's "bad" based on standardized tests? I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just wondering if we really have people like that....
  • Betsy Haibel (View Email) on August 19, 2002
    Perhaps we don't consciously. But I'm a magnet with predominately nonmagnet friends--and as one, I know how rare that often is. There's a widespread perception among the nonmagnet students that magnets are arrogant/cliquish... and in a way we are. It's probably predominantly unconscious...

    We're plunged into a school that for better or worse is usually considered "ghetto" by the upcounty. We're told we're the smartest people in the school by our teachers. We're handed a near-automatic group of friends (fellow magnets) by mere virtue of who we are. It's small wonder more magnets don't associate with nonmagnets that often.

    And as a magnet who does... I can say that my magnet friends are missing out on a whole heck of a lot.
  • angry magnet on October 24, 2002
    Betsy you completely misrepresent the magnet community i am a senior in the magnet an dnever has a magnet teacher told my class that we are the "smartest students in the school" that is merely something you imagine.
  • Brenda Santana (View Email) on April 28, 2006 at 3:39 PM
    Hi,my name is Brenda Santana and I'M iN 6TH grade and I wonder how can you go to Blair High School.After 8th grade.
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