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Sept. 30, 2006

ID policy finalized

by Maya Calabrese, Online Managing Editor
After weeks of deliberation, the SGA and administration have finalized an ID policy to be implemented after all students receive their IDs next week. Although the SGA worked extensively with the administration to form a more acceptable ID policy for students, they still disapprove of some of the changes.

In an interview with Silver Chips Online, SGA President Eric Hysen explained the revisions to the ID policy. Students are required to wear IDs around the neck or clipped to the waist as long as it is visible at or above the waist from 7:25 a.m. to the last class period of the day. After their last period, students are allowed to remove their IDs unless in the Media Center or other individual places throughout the school that have required it in the past.

If students have broken or damaged IDs they may bring them to attendance secretary Roxanne Fus and they will receive the one free replacement ID allotted to them per year. Students will be denied new IDs if it appears that they deliberately damaged it. That includes de-facing pictures with stickers or permanent markers.

If students arrive at school without IDs, they may go buy a new ID from Fus, in cash, before 7:25 a.m. After that, no IDs can be purchased. This part of the policy was set up to rid students of obligations.

During the first block of the day, security guards will visit each class and provide temporary IDs to anyone who needs one. If students are caught not wearing either a temporary ID or their actual one after that time, they will be given Saturday detention. If caught again they will get an in-school suspension.

Students are allowed two free temporary IDs per quarter. After forgetting to bring their IDs a second time, the students receive an automatic phone call as a reminder to bring their ID to school the next day. After a third time a parent-administration conference will be set up. If the ID is forgotten a fourth time, students will receive after school detention; after the fifth time students will receive one-day in-school suspension. Consequences after that are left up to the administrators.

The SGA holds no responsibility for the decisions made regarding the consequences. "The SGA does not endorse the final ID policy. We support part of it but are strongly opposed to the severity of the discipline action," said Hysen.

Regardless of the SGA's disapproval, the SGA hopes that the new system is successful. "The administration strongly believes the culture of not wearing IDs will shift. I hope it does. If it doesn't, we'll try to change it," said Hysen.

IDs will be distributed to students Tuesday, Oct. 3 during a scheduled homeroom between periods one and three. There will be a subsequent fire drill.



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  • Libertarian (View Email) on September 30, 2006 at 12:20 PM
    Oh great. I just want to point out that the school year's gone fine the last couple weeks with ABSOLUTELY NO ID's. All of a sudden there are severe consequences for not wearing ID's??? Can someone from the administration please explain the purpose of ID's?
  • Eric Hysen (View Email) on September 30, 2006 at 12:32 PM
    A few clarifications:

    IDs can be purchased at lunch as well as before school from the Attendance Office (this specific location is subject to change). If you purchase an ID from Ms. Fus before school starts and wear it to class, it will not count as forgetting your ID for that day.

    Although we disapprove of the severity of the disciplinary actions, the student voice was definitely heard while crafting this policy. The provisions for broken IDs, times for wearing IDs, and the ability to buy an ID in the morning to avoid suffering disciplinary consequences all originated from SGA feedback. We were also able to negotiate the level of severity of the disciplinary actions down significantly from the administration’s original proposals, but in the end we still felt they were too strict for us to endorse the policy as a whole.
  • Libertarian (View Email) on September 30, 2006 at 12:34 PM
    But congratulations to the SGA and Eric in particular for standing up for students. Even though I have said earlier about how they have no power (and this demonstrates perfectly how they don't), he has refused to "endorse" the policy, and maintains that they don't support the severity of discipline. I applaud Hysen for not compromising principles. The ID policy is crap, and to give people Saturday detention after ONE time not wearing an ID is simply unacceptable. If it happens to me, I know I will appeal it and fight it. Detention for not wearing an ID the FIRST TIME???
  • ... on September 30, 2006 at 12:46 PM
    i think i just forgot my name...good thing i have a serial number
  • Libertarian (View Email) on September 30, 2006 at 12:58 PM
    "We were also able to negotiate the level of severity of the disciplinary actions down significantly from the administration’s original proposals"

    Wow, I'd hate to hear their proposals. Hanging kids from the ceilings by their toes? A week of suspension?
  • hahahaha on September 30, 2006 at 1:00 PM
    saturday detention? what is this, the breakfast club?

  • this is supposed to better? on September 30, 2006 at 1:30 PM
    wait a minute..this is supposed to be an improvement of the ID policy? I didn't know detention on saturday, suspesion, parent phone calls, and in school suspension were an improvement of the $5 fee.

    Also, how did the SGA "negotiate" the times of wearing IDs? We've always had to wear IDs as soon as the bell rang until the last class of the day. How is this any different now?

    And about buying IDs from Ms Fus. The article says we can buy them before school. And Eric says if you buy them before school, it does not count as forgetting it. But then he also states that you can buy them during lunch? Now what's the point of buying them during lunch? According to these new rules, you would already be counted as forgetting you ID for the day.

    In conclusion, this new policy sucks.
    Good job for "trying," Eric, but this is clearly not any better, and it's a joke if the administration thinks people will show up for saturday detention.
  • sigh on September 30, 2006 at 1:47 PM
    this is totally unneccesary. after a month of no IDs has anything drastic happened? no.
    Saturday detentions and ISS for not wearing IDs..that's pointlessly harsh.
    At least the temporary ID policy is good so you don't get obligations for forgetting it once.
    Come on SGA!
  • asfsdg (View Email) on September 30, 2006 at 1:52 PM
    I WANNA BE IN THE BREAKFAST CLUB
  • what? on September 30, 2006 at 2:14 PM
    yeah, that saturday detention thing isn't going to work to well with parents who have to bring their kids to school on saturday/anyone who has plans saturday.
  • Henry Scher (View Email) on September 30, 2006 at 2:51 PM
    They have enough security guards to visit each class to check this? And will teachers really check for ID's? They didn't check all too strictly before, except in certain areas (computer lab, library, etc.).
  • Forgetful on September 30, 2006 at 3:00 PM
    What if I sometimes lose my id during the day and can't find it? Is there a place to go during the school day to get a temporary id? This is absolutely horrible.
  • Eric Hysen (View Email) on September 30, 2006 at 3:23 PM
    Re: this is supposed to be better?

    It's true that IDs purchased at lunch will still result in using one of your temporary IDs for the day. My comment about that was in response to the line in the article "After that, no IDs can be purchased."

    The previous ID policy stated that IDs had to be worn at all times while inside the school building. The new policy explicitly states that they must only be worn from 7:25 through the end of your last class. The main reason for this change was so that we can't be stopped in the halls before first block starts for not wearing an ID when there hasn't even been a chance to get a temporary one yet. It's not a major change, but it may make a difference for some students.
  • Republican on September 30, 2006 at 3:33 PM
    Is this a result of many days of very very important planning and very very important meetings? It took them 4 weeks to think up of this policy. What was so bad about the old id policy? No one felt in danger because of some flaws in the old id policy. What was so bad about the last 4 weeks? No one felt in danger either. What about most of the other high schools around the county? No one were hurt because of some flaw in the id policy.
  • no way! on September 30, 2006 at 3:33 PM
    What about the students that attend edison...how will we be able to get new ID's when we will be gone during first and third periods for the distribution? This is absurd.
    I also don't think that the punishments are appropriate for this day and age...since when do we have saturday detention?!?
  • yea... on September 30, 2006 at 3:45 PM
    the temporary id policy is nice and everything but this disciplinary action is just absurd. saturday detention for a first offense? And forgetting an ID three times does not seem to warrant a parent-administrator conference. this is so unnecessarily harsh that reading the policies almost makes me sick. id be interested to hear the reasoning behind this (from some administrator)
  • ummm on September 30, 2006 at 3:49 PM
    man i dont think the ID policy is gonna work after like a month where not gona listen..duh...its been too long already its going to b harder to reinforce the polivy cause people can still lie and say they dint have there IDs yet
  • Republican on September 30, 2006 at 3:53 PM
    "Although we disapprove of the severity of the disciplinary actions, the student voice was definitely heard while crafting this policy. The provisions for broken IDs, times for wearing IDs, and the ability to buy an ID in the morning to avoid suffering disciplinary consequences all originated from SGA feedback. We were also able to negotiate the level of severity of the disciplinary actions down significantly from the administration’s original proposals, but in the end we still felt they were too strict for us to endorse the policy as a whole." -SGA

    Under this article, the SGA should not be bragging about how the administration listened ot the SGA. Instead, they should be ashamed on how pitifully they represented the student population and how they pitifully allowed an already bad policy become even worse.
  • to Libertarian on September 30, 2006 at 4:04 PM
    Our planbooks detail the need for ID's very nicely on page 11.
    "The puprose of [the Student ID Procedure] is to guarantee that every person in the building is wearing a school ID."
  • johanna on September 30, 2006 at 4:11 PM
    yeaaa maya!! sweet article!
  • molly ringwald on September 30, 2006 at 4:42 PM
    so do IDs still cost $5? and what if you don't have the money, could you get it on credit and then have an obligation?

    WHO WANTS TO JOIN THE BREAKFAST CLUB THIS WEEKEND??

    ps- congrats maya on the story (from your #1 tennis fan)
  • fdsafgawesdfweasdfgaw on September 30, 2006 at 5:09 PM
    "defacing pictures with stickers"? wth? you can just take the sticker off...
  • Can you say authoritarian? on September 30, 2006 at 6:02 PM
    This is outrageous and unacceptable. What can we do to change this policy?
  • ??? on September 30, 2006 at 6:48 PM
    Whats the point of having to wear ID's?
  • senior on September 30, 2006 at 7:01 PM
    Before we rush off to punish those who don't wear IDs, let's ask ourselves "What is the point of wearing an ID? Haven't the past few weeks proven that even without IDs, half the student body has gotten along fine?"
  • Someone you make know on September 30, 2006 at 7:35 PM
    If you take off your ID during the day for a legitimate reason [like your flash drive is on your ID, take it off to scan in the lunch line, you just had gym class, etc] and you forget to put it back on, you get a Saturday detention? No warning or anything, you get punished because you are forgetful?

    Also, the security guards will visit every single class in the school? Every day? Won't that take them at LEAST half of first block? So rather than watching who comes into Blair, the security will be in class rooms, doing menial tasks? Oh wow, I feel so much safer knowing that the security at my school is walking around, passing out temporary IDs.
  • Two Solutions on September 30, 2006 at 10:24 PM
    1.) Just wear your ID. It's really not that big of a deal. When you drive a car, you need a license. When you go to school, you need an ID. Get over it.
    2.) Everyone protest, no one wear an ID, see how the administration handles 3000 kids in Saturday detention.
  • Libertarian (View Email) on September 30, 2006 at 11:05 PM
    "Just wear your ID. It's really not that big of a deal. When you drive a car, you need a license. When you go to school, you need an ID. Get over it." - Two Solutions

    A driver's liscence is much different. First of all it's used to show that you have indeed passed the necessary tests and purchasing it is basically a tax for using the road. They also aren't frequently checked, just to make sure they belong. If police were pulling people over just asking to see their ID, then I'd agree it was a problem.

    An ID is more similar to requiring to force the population to all carry their papers to prove they belong. That is wrong, just as ID's are.

    ID's are there so the administration has one more thing to prove their authority. I'm honestly convinced that this is the case. And until someone can provide me with another good reason, I will continue to believe that.
  • Libertarian (View Email) on September 30, 2006 at 11:07 PM
    "Our planbooks detail the need for ID's very nicely on page 11.
    'The puprose of [the Student ID Procedure] is to guarantee that every person in the building is wearing a school ID.'"

    lol, of course. At least they're honest. There's no other reason for ID's other than to ensure that we all wear one. Maybe they forgot to erase this and put in their BS that fills the rest of the book.
  • re:Two Solutions on September 30, 2006 at 11:07 PM
    "2.) Everyone protest, no one wear an ID, see how the administration handles 3000 kids in Saturday detention. "

    This is kind of funny. I'd love to see a reaction to this. It someone started this up, I bet over half the school would do it (and the school would probably be overwhelmed if even a couple hundred kids, or 10% of Blair, joined Saturday Club)

  • Libertarian (View Email) on September 30, 2006 at 11:20 PM
    Pg. 4 of "Rights and Responsibilities":

    "Petitions
    You have the right to circulate petitions at all times except during classes and assemblies. The principal may stop a petition if it violates any of the rules that control the content of publications (these rules are listed below). If you give a petition to school administrators, you will get a written reply within five days."

    If this policy is even close to enforced, I intend on circulating a petition. who's with me?
  • sigh on September 30, 2006 at 11:21 PM
    This is just another showing of how the SGA has no real power in the school. Administrators want ID policy change? They got it. Maybe the SGA can win a couple of the really small battles, but in the end, school policy will not be school policy unless Admin wants it. Just look at the ID poll on this site - only 1 kid thought the policy was an improvement, and I have a feeling that kid was just kidding. I bet nearly all kids at blair agree that IDs are completely useless, too. I know the crime rate in the area is high, but do you think that in a school of over 3000 kids, security is going to catch 1 stranger or criminal in school because he's not wearing an ID? Yeah, right. So IDs do nothing for security. And kids still wear other people's IDs all the time or previous year's IDs or just plastic cards shaped like IDs -- it's not like anyone can tell the different from more than a foot away, and in the crush of Blair Boulevard there is absolutely no way to tell. And if we are in a rush to get to school and forget our IDs, we have to shell out 5 bucks just to get a replacement.

    I'd be surprised if 1% of the school supported the change in policy, but administrators don't care about the student voice. I'm not blaming SGA, because they are students too and are undoubtedly as disgusted by the new policy as the rest of us, but I think the school should just give up the pretense of SGA and close down the organization. It seems all SGA ever does is get bashed by unsatisfied students anyways.
  • Eric Hysen (View Email) on September 30, 2006 at 11:33 PM
    I'd like to clear up as much as I can about this policy. By commenting on these decisions I'm not saying I or the SGA approve of them - I'm just trying to explain them.

    In response to concerns about security checking IDs:
    In previous years, most teachers didn't check for IDs, so the policy was not enforced fairly. The purpose of having security check IDs is to take the burden off of teachers and ensure that it'll be enforced in every room. Mr. Funk, the Business Manager, who oversees security, does believe that it will be possible to have his staff do that.

    Re: Molly Ringwald
    From what I understand of the policy, you will have to pay cash before 7:25 to get an ID for the day. I'm not sure if you'll be able to get an obligation if you buy an ID later in the day, it was never brought up in any of the meetings I was in. I'll check with Mr. Gainous.

    Re: no way!
    Edison students were never brought up in the meetings I was in. I'll check on it.

    Saturday detention has never been used as a disciplinary action before. There is a Saturday Enrichment program that was used as academic support last year, but this is a different thing entirely.

    Re: Forgetful
    I'm not sure what you would do in that situation, but the best thing would probably be to go to your administrator's office. I'll check on it.

    I have a meeting with Mr. Gainous Tuesday morning before the policy is formally announced, and will bring a copy of all the comments to this story with me to show him the student opinion on this issue.

    I and the SGA will continue to fight to improve this policy. Please continue to post your opinions, as every additional comment here helps us show the administration how strongly the student body feels about this.
  • Anarchist on October 1, 2006 at 1:02 AM
    Yeah, I'd like to see 2000 kids detained. It was impossible to protest the other policy; they just kept charging fines. Here, a logistical nightmare would be easy for a handful of organized students to create.
  • Jordan Turner (View Email) on October 1, 2006 at 2:26 AM
    Thanks Blair. As an institution that is supposed to prepare its students for the real world, it's about time you started emulating the ridiculous security procedures that exist in it.

    The façade created by this new "policy" is akin to those machine gun toting guards on our Metro trains that do nothing more than look tough so patrons think they're being protected, even though those intent on doing us harm could easily step aside into another car and detonate their suicide vests in peace. It's no better than the random searches that used to occur (and still do occur?) on New York City's subway system that gave people the option to refuse a search and simply enter unchecked through another entrance.

    Some of the worst school shootings in recent American history – Heath (1997), Columbine (1999), Red Lake (2005) – have been perpetrated by students who attended their respective target schools. ID policies would not have stopped them. Furthermore, all fatal school massacres do have one thing in common: the gunmen certainly would not have been deterred by someone telling them to leave the building because they did not have identification hanging around their necks. Seriously; they had guns. And I thought our "turn out the lights and hide in the corner" code red procedure was terrible...

    How are IDs going to help us curb the numerous fights that occur in the halls each school year? And what about those arsons in the bathrooms from last year; how did the incredible edible IDs thwart those? And was Blair's perennial sub-par achievement on HSAs part of the four-week closed-door session? Don't get me wrong; I do not feel like my life is in peril every time I step into the Blair edifice. But I am certain I will feel no less unnerved during the upcoming month's experiment in authoritarianism than I did during the last twenty-two days, free of IDs.

    But no absurd policy is complete without equally absurd consequences. I look forward to how that parent-administrator conference is going to go: "Ma'am, even though I could be spending this time taking care of the real problem children, I feel it is paramount that we nip your son's forgetfulness in the bud before it kills us all." And I bet that Saturday breakfast club is going to something for my autobiography: "You can be angry at me all you want, but you're going to sit there until you remember where you left your ID." Real good stuff.

    And so, what little respect I had for the ID policy before has now waned to zero. The administration has now made it clear as day that its primary goal is to ensure the longstanding ID requirement is enforced, rather than ensure the safety of the Blair community. The "we don't want students to incur obligations" sentiment is not fooling me.

    But I must concede, "Two Solutions", that you are indeed correct that one must have a license to operate a motor vehicle. However, you don't get stopped by the police if you're not wearing it around your neck.
  • In agreement on October 1, 2006 at 10:57 AM
    I completely agree: security cares more about IDs than the safety of the students they're paid to protect.
  • HEY on October 1, 2006 at 11:09 AM
    Everyone give MBHS a call and just tell 'em how you feel! Free speech, right?

    CALL NOW:(301) 649-2806
  • o.O (View Email) on October 1, 2006 at 11:34 AM
    it keeps not letting me comment >=O
    and yeah. new policy is t3h suck.
  • Enough on October 1, 2006 at 12:41 PM
    The ID (not just this one, but over all of the past years) policy of wearing an ID around your neck has not provided any significant security to the students for as long as it has been here. The administration is recklessly enforcing this policy without cause.

    The SGA should write a formal complaint to the principal on behalf of the students, as explained in Student Rights & Responsibilities (also in your planbook).

    Student Rights and Responsibilities allows a student to write a complaint to the principal, and allows a student to "present witnesses and evidence in support of the complaint from the student." (These witnesses could pretty much be the whole school, and evidence could be testimonies of anyone who knows about people who aren't students at the school but have entered the school during a school day, regardless of the ID policy)

    "If the student is not satisfied with the decision rendered after a formal review by the principal, he or she may appeal to the Superintendent or to his or her designee within 10 school days of the prinicpal's written decision."

    "The appeal statement should include (1) a request for a review of the complaint and the decision of the principal, (2) all pertinent factual information, (3) the remedy requested."

    In this case, our remedy would be to abolish the policy of wearing ID's around your neck at Blair due to the fact that it does not provide any security benefit (or any significant security benefit). Also, the administration is spending exhorbitant amounts of time, energy, and money enforcing said policy.

    If the student is not satisfied with the decision of the superintendent (which will be administered within 10 days of the complaint), then the student may initiate an appeal to the Board of Education.

    I say that the SGA and the students take this all the way to the top.

    P.S. I applaud Eric for having the SGA take a stand against the policy. The administration is not recognizing the SGA, and is insulting the integrity of the SGA by not even considering its recommendations. The SGA was elected by the students, and the administration is simply blowing off the student opinion.
  • claire on October 1, 2006 at 1:32 PM
    good article maya!
  • grace on October 1, 2006 at 2:44 PM
    according to my mother, the parents complain about EVERYTHING on the parent list-serve. so if we already have this many students complaining, just imagine how many parents are going to make a fuss. i seriously doubt that this policy is going to be anywhere close to a success.
    SGA, you did what you could, thank you.
    but this really is ridiculous. did the administration really think that this was such a great improvement? did they really think that this policy would be widely accepted by the student body?
    just wait until this is announced to the whole school, gang. some feathers are gonna fly.
  • What's the Point? on October 1, 2006 at 2:55 PM
    What's the point?

    I still don't see the point of ID's. I don't see any real porblems with having to wear them or not. It's not like we really use the ID's anyway and if you lose it for a day, just wear a landyard, no one really notices. I don't see how the admin really expects that this will help security as everyone else has mentioned.

    There's no point to Saturdy detention, it'll just anger a lot of parents (especially the ones of us that live upcounty and cannot drive). You're just basically trying to provoke our parents.

    Just don't check for id's. If you really wanted us to wear them, maybe you should implement a system where you had to use your id for something (like a library card or buying lunch). Then, if the student doesn't have their id's, it's their own problem. Still, I don't see how that'd work as that I've heard the bar codes on the magnet id's are faulty.

    Just get rid of the id policy, I haven't seen any other high school so far in this county with this kind of policy.
  • grace again on October 1, 2006 at 2:58 PM
    by the way guys, did you see the poll on the front page about the id policy?
    haha. it's really one sided. you guys will love it. i wanted to pick three of the answers.
  • blazer (View Email) on October 1, 2006 at 3:13 PM
    weve been in school for what, like a month? and looking back what has gone really really bad that ID's would have prevented??? nothing! were fine without them
  • You Morons on October 1, 2006 at 3:39 PM
    If you are too stupid put something around your neck every day, then your time at Blair has been poorly spent. The policy will not change in the way you want, so take all your frustration and channel it in to something useful, like an arts and craft project.
  • 09 on October 1, 2006 at 5:00 PM
    I havent read the majority of comments before me, but I bet they are all agreeing with what I am about to say.
    This new ID policy is ridiculous: Parent-teacher conferences because of forgotten IDs? My parents have better things to do than come to school because I wasn't wearing an ID that doesn't serve a point anyway.
    I am curious why the administration cares so much about IDs, when they could devote their time to more important issues instead??
  • Jon Phoenix Brookstone on October 1, 2006 at 5:00 PM
    SATURDAY DETENTION FOR ANYONE NOT WEARING AN ID!!! Sure, they'll get a temporary one, but detention then straight to a suspension is WAY too harsh. What about people who come in late who might not be able to get a real or temporary id?

    We as students have a right to deface our id, especially if we can't stand our pictures. Students should not be forced to parade around with pictures they dislike.

    For once, I have to agree with the Libertarian. We did fine without IDs for the last four weeks. The ceiling didn't collapse, we didn't fall into anarchy, and nobody got burned, shot, or maimed by bears. =The administration is making it seem that the moment we don't have some identity card, terrorists will automatically flood the school with calls for Jihad. Theres a rather thick line between regular stress and idiotic paranoia, and this administration crossed over it - again.

    And honestly, security guards, going to every classroom to check all the IDs? Won't that end up being a bit of a waste of time? That could end up being really disruptive.

    Honestly, given how lousy this policy is, I'm willing to bet 5 to 1 that the administration will give up trying to fully enforce every part of this within say ... a month. Anyone want to start a bet going? I'm willing to put in $5 :-D

  • Republican on October 1, 2006 at 5:36 PM
    to You Morons,
    it isn't that we are to stupid to put something around our neck everyday. It's that sometimes we forget to. Theres a difference between able to and remember to.

    It was because of frustration that change can happen. Last year, the id policy was stupid but still manageable. However, with the new punishments that come with this policy, it is no wonder that people are getting angry. It is only because some of us see the potential problems that can appear along that some of us feel the need to show our frustration and channel it. For those of you who are too narrow-sighted to see the potential problems, please do not randomly call other people morons.
  • Henry Scher (View Email) on October 1, 2006 at 5:40 PM
    Re: You Morons
    It's not that people are stupid. It's that people are forgetful. It's that people lose ID's. It's that people break them by accident - heck, I've simply dropped it and when trying to pick it up, stepped on it and broken it.
    It's that the cost of having security guards do this every morning would be exhorbitant. It's that it is a hassle to do this every single first period. It's that a detention for not wearing an ID only 4 times - I've lost my ID over 7 times in one year before - causes a detention over the weekend, an extraordinarily inconvenient time. It's that not having an ID for 5 times causes an in-school suspension - something that must go on every college aplicatoin and more.
    So, it's not just that we're forgettnig to wear ID's. It's that the consequences for this are too much.
  • wow..stupid. on October 1, 2006 at 8:08 PM
    This is stupid..detention on saturday for not wearing picture IDs? When we've gotten through a full month without them?...and for magnet kids who live freaking 45 minutes away from blair to come to detention on a saturday.

    I'm glad to see at least the SGA is somewhat standing up for us by openly disagreeing with the policy.
  • vJ (View Email) on October 1, 2006 at 8:53 PM
    Re: Jon Phoenix Brookstone

    I may not practice Islam, but your comment "terrorists will automatically flood the school with calls for Jihad" shows how narrow-minded you are. Why don't you go research the meaning of Jihad before you spew verbal diarrhea.

    And Re: You Morons

    "The policy will not change in the way you want" - This policy can be changed. When something is clearly irrational, then it should be challenged. Please don't insult people for just challenging the policy.
  • umm on October 1, 2006 at 9:10 PM
    what is the problem with this policy? lets see.. it makes no sense? we get inschool suspension, but then we get a call? and the fifth time we forget the ID we get another in school suspension? didnt we already get suspension?

    meh.
  • David on October 1, 2006 at 9:53 PM
    I forget my I.D. a lot. In fact, I haven't worn it since June. So why do I need one to get by now?? Was there ever a purpose for IDs in the first place? yea yea i know Blair's a big school, but how about in the big country called the United States.... can you imagine if we all wore IDs, we might find Osama quicker.

    This ID policy that went through negotiations with the SGA just proves the SGA's futility. They stand up for our rights, but only to get stepped on my the administration, great job SGA. Good to be represented.
  • Senior on October 1, 2006 at 10:09 PM
    I have to say that although I think the consequences for violating the ID policy are a bit extreme, I think the administration is right to try to crack down on the ID policy. The ID policy is here to stay, guys, so arguing about it isn't going to help. But in the last three years, the administration has been struggling to try to get students to wear their ID's, and nothing has worked. These comments are testimony to how much the ID policy has been violated in the past: just wearing lanyards, not wearing anything, not being checked by a teacher, etc. The administration has failed to implement an affective policy, so they think this new one will help. Cut them some slack, they're just trying to do their jobs. Yes, it's too harsh, but honestly it's really not that big of a deal. It's hard to govern a school of over 3,000. Just flow with it and commend the administration for at least trying to implement an ID policy that works and is fair. Maybe if we follow it well, they'll trust us more and lighten up the punishments. The punishments are simply incentives to wear ID's. They don't want us coming in on Saturday anymore than we do.
  • Libertarian (View Email) on October 1, 2006 at 10:09 PM
    Thank you Eric for showing these comments to Mr. Gainous. For that event, I would like to make this comprehensive argument as to why the ID policy doesn't help anything and is detrimental to the Blair community.

    1. This is perhaps the best point. We've had no ID's for about 5 weeks now I think. NOTHING has happened. But that's not enough proof. Because potentially it could happen. So my challenge to Mr. Gainous or anyone in the school administration is to come up with ONE (1) example of an instance where an ID would contribute to the safety of a single Blair student. And saving a kid hanging from the side of the building by letting him hold onto the ID string doesn't count.
    Jordan did a very good job of summarizing this.

    2. This policy creates an air of facism. Rather than creating an air of a friendly learning environment, kids are made to wear IDs to ensure they belong. You even have security guards "checking" on this every single day. Reminds me of a recent college visit where they boasted about how safe they were. "We have red buttons by every building so if something happens, within 2 minutes the police will be here". That doesn't sound like safe, that sounds like pretty dangerous if you actually need to have those there. When you have security guards going into every class to ensure a kid has an ID, it further alienates the student body from the administration. By the way, are they also checking teachers' ID's? I remember a couple of times a certain teacher who liked to really make sure everyone was wearing ID's every day was strangely not mentioning them that day. We then realized that teacher did not have their ID that day. This is reminiscent of Nazi Germany, or the treatment of blacks in the South after the civil war. "Show me your papers". Honestly, who would want to sneak INto a school? And the fact that anyone who can't produce their "papers" is immediately sentenced to Saturday detention is completely rediculous as well.

    3. People forget, people have PE, people go outside during lunch, people come in late, people misplace things. If someone does this they get automatic Saturday detention? Let's just give the death penalty. That would ensure that people wear their ID's.

    4. The student body is firmly against this one. This is an extension on 2. People put up with the old policy, although most disliked it. The new policy will NOT be put up with, as I will be fighting to have it changed, through whatever means necessary. I have consulted the "Rights and Responsibilities" handbook and unless the policy is changed will be circulating petitions and appealing all decisions made by the administration. Congratulations, you have just completely alienated the student body. I hope you're happy, because this means war. There are more students than members of the administration, and more importantly we all have parents. Expect hundreds if not thousands of angry phone calls in the next couple weeks.
  • Libertarian (View Email) on October 1, 2006 at 10:10 PM
    Wow, when Jon Brookstone, Republican, Anarchist, and myself all agree on something, you know it has nothing to do with politics, but is simply a horrible policy.
  • Time to Grow Up, Kids on October 1, 2006 at 10:14 PM
    How hard is it to just wear an ID? - just put it on! Adults throughout the workforce - especially those working for the government and large companies - have to wear IDs. It's becoming commonplace around the country. Whining about wearing IDs is no more appropriate here than it would be to whine to your boss.
  • 08 on October 1, 2006 at 10:16 PM
    All the parents are starting to get mad... with the parents mad the administration will have to give in and abolish this policy. So don't worry too much.
  • 'rent on October 1, 2006 at 10:27 PM
    So if my student forgets to wear his ID on occasion, it's a logical assumption to think he'll remember to stash a fiver in his pocket to get a new one?? So what's the consequence if a student forgets the ID, goes to get a replacement, and then realizes he/she has no money?

    Did anyone talk to Ms. Fus about the load that implementing this policy places on her? I volunteer in the main office sometimes and she is *always* swamped with students at her window dropping off notes, early dismissal requests, etc. before classes begin. She has the patience of a saint!
  • we shall overcome on October 1, 2006 at 10:58 PM
    The SGA should sponsor a protest on Tuesday in which zero blair students will wear their ID until an agreeable policy is devised. I think that a peaceful demonstration of unhappiness is in order.
  • the general population (View Email) on October 1, 2006 at 11:34 PM
    THIS CALLS FOR ACTION.

    maybe an I.D. STRIKE?

    oh, and this policy will definetly die after the PARENTS HEAR their children will LOSE ALL CHANCE OF GOING TO COLLEGE because of such a useless disciplinary infraction.
  • Anarchist on October 2, 2006 at 12:04 AM
    Yep. How 'bout this conversation between two expelled students?

    #1: Yeah, I got expelled because I was in a gang and brought in a knife to cut up my rivals.
    #2: Man that's way harsh. I can understand mine, though: I refused to wear a rectangular piece of plastic around my neck every day.

    And, as punishment for the 6th or greater offense is left up to the administrators, yes, you COULD be expelled for not wearing your ID.
  • Henry Scher (View Email) on October 2, 2006 at 12:12 AM
    Re: Time to Grow Up, Kids
    It seems you haven't been reading the earlier responses. To quote what I have said:
    'It's not that people are stupid. It's that people are forgetful. It's that people lose ID's. It's that people break them by accident - heck, I've simply dropped it and when trying to pick it up, stepped on it and broken it.
    It's that the cost of having security guards do this every morning would be exhorbitant. It's that it is a hassle to do this every single first period. It's that a detention for not wearing an ID only 4 times - I've lost my ID over 7 times in one year before - causes a detention over the weekend, an extraordinarily inconvenient time. It's that not having an ID for 5 times causes an in-school suspension - something that must go on every college aplicatoin and more.
    So, it's not just that we're forgettnig to wear ID's. It's that the consequences for this are too much. '
    I mean, adults usually don't have to wear ID's - those only come with specialized jobs such as working for the government, etc. And then, they usually aren't strictly punished for not wearing their ID's. There is no analogy between the two situations as they stand.
  • ex-blazer (View Email) on October 2, 2006 at 12:56 AM
    This seems to just waste so many peoples' times. As I remember, Ms. Fus wasn't too patient a woman to begin with, and I wonder how she'll deal with doling out free IDs (OH WAIT no, you only get one) to kids every morning . And how teachers are going to like having their class interrupted every morning for a rather disruptive ID check. And how security will feel about going to dozens of classrooms every morning for no other reason than to ensure that every kid in every class is in fact a student at Blair. But why would non-students sit in on a random class anyway? Wouldn't teachers notice? wtfmates?

    If the REAL issue behind having IDs is just to make sure potentially dangerous external humans don't penetrate the school, then perhaps they should do things the (infinitely more logical) college way. Issue IDS to everyone and just post security guards at the doors, (you know, where EVERYONE has to go through to get inside the school) and have kids flash 'em before they're permitted to enter the building.

    But wait, would that make too much sense?
  • mag06 on October 2, 2006 at 1:22 AM
    Look guys...are these policies harsh? Yes. Draconian? Definitely not.

    The ID policy is implemented to make sure that nobody is in the school who shouldn't be in the school. That's definitely something that the administration needs to take seriously.

    When I was at Blair I always thought the ID policy as stupid and flaccid simply because there was no way it could achieve its goal. This is one step in the right direction. If the administration sticks to the plan, it might achieve the proscribed goal. It's a rigorous and strict outline, but it derives its strength from the rigor; having security guards check classrooms every morning, for example, is one net to make sure that everybody has their ID's, and by extension, one more way to make sure that nobody's in the school who shouldn't be there.

    One can also view the ID policy as another way that high school prepares students for real life. In real life, if you lose your driver's license, you'll get a tickent when pulled over. If you lose a credit card, the consequences could be far worse.

    This isn't nearly as bad as everyone's making it out to be; it's just a step in the right direction for both Blair and the students.
  • haha on October 2, 2006 at 1:41 AM
    As i read this page, i see the chips index on the side read:
    "93
    percent of Blazers say they have successfully worn someone else's ID all day"

    Oh, the irony kills me.

    Is there a petition circling yet or something?
  • hmmm on October 2, 2006 at 8:19 AM
    will these new IDs be color-coded by academy/CAP/magnet? if so, I hope someone will explain why thats even necessary.
  • Libertarian (View Email) on October 2, 2006 at 9:14 AM
    "How hard is it to just wear an ID? - just put it on! Adults throughout the workforce - especially those working for the government and large companies - have to wear IDs. It's becoming commonplace around the country. Whining about wearing IDs is no more appropriate here than it would be to whine to your boss." - Time to Grow up, Kids

    They also get paid. They can choose to quit, they know they'll have to wear them when they get the job. Most likely they need it for entry into the building because of security reasons. None of these is true for IDs and Blair.
  • Eric Hysen (View Email) on October 2, 2006 at 9:42 AM
    Re: ex-blazer (and others)
    Purchasing and getting replacement IDs are not permanently going to be with Ms. Fus. In the last few meetings I was in, the administration was considering moving this to the concession stand or another location.

    Last year there was one security staff member working almost the entire day to create replacement IDs. This new policy has them all working for a fraction of the day on IDs, so it is a tradeoff.

    The initial plan for IDs (and the one in planbooks right now) was to scan or check IDs at the door. However, due to overwhelmingly negative student reaction Mr. Gainous agreed to change that.

    Re: umm
    There are two separate disciplinary policies here. The first is for forgetting your ID in the morning. We get two free temporary IDs, then a parent-administrator conference, then after school detention, then in school suspension each quarter. If you get detention on the last day of the first quarter and walk in the next day without your ID, you're back to one of the free temporary ones. You can also buy an ID with cash before 7:25 to avoid suffering any consequences in this policy.

    The next policy is for being caught not wearing your ID during the day, after having had an ID or being given a temporary one in first block. The first offense is Saturday detention and future offenses are automatic one day in school suspensions.

    Re: anarchist
    You can’t simply get expelled by your administrator, or even by Mr. Gainous. The school can make a recommendation for expulsion, but it has to be approved by the county in a formal hearing. Because of the points that have already been raised about other schools not requiring IDs, I cannot see any of us getting expelled because of not wearing one.

    Once again, I'm just trying to clear up these policies, and am not saying that I or SGA support them.
  • Eric Hysen (View Email) on October 2, 2006 at 9:45 AM
    Re: hmmm
    The new IDs will still be color coded. I did bring this issue up with the administration, but was not able to spend that much time on it since I was focusing on the disciplinary policies. Everyone should be getting yarn on Tuesday with their new IDs, and then will get the colored lanyards later in the day. If you’re not comfortable wearing the academy lanyards, you’re free to wear the yarn instead.
  • Yours Truly on October 2, 2006 at 9:47 AM
    This is crazy!, we've had a lack of id's for pretty much a month now and there haven't been any problems, frankly i feel thats proof that the ids don't do anything
  • hrmmm on October 2, 2006 at 9:52 AM
    to the people who doubt the possibility of change: its people like you who prevent things from happening. just jump on the bandwagon, low as it already is, and see where it goes. you might as well, its not like they can suspend the whole school right? which is why if the entire school were to voice an opinion of dissent, we might actually get something done.
  • hahaha (View Email) on October 2, 2006 at 10:43 AM
    Sweet. I can get out of school for free if I forget my ID 5 times.
  • Someone you make know on October 2, 2006 at 10:56 AM
    To Eric:
    Are we allowed to wear any lanyard we want to or is it either an academy lanyard or yarn?
  • thanks eric on October 2, 2006 at 11:05 AM
    for clearing things up for us. and taking the time to read our comments.
  • Someone you may know on October 2, 2006 at 11:07 AM
    To vJ:
    A lot of Muslism terrorists do claim to be operating under the Jihad. The rest of the Muslism world does not interpret Jihad in the same way however. Brookstone is a very intelligent person and he wouldn't say a statement like that if that wasn't what was actually happening. He didn't say anything about Muslisms or Middle Eastern people, he said terrorists.

    I'm surprised that you, not Jordan made a comment about that though.
  • KayCee on October 2, 2006 at 1:15 PM
    I agree with Enough, who posted a while back. The SGA should launch a formal complaint on behalf of the students. I understand the school's need for security, with a school as big as ours who wouldn't. The problem consistantly is security can be managed without the use of IDs. It's done at many other schools and has been done at Blair for the last month. I can understand that IDs are required in certain parts of the building, i.e. the library, or at school functions to be allowed entrance. I think I could even understand them wanting us to have one on us in our backpack or something for in the off chance a teacher did notice someone they thought didn't belong and checked for proper ID, this is generally how ID is handled in the real world anyway.
  • Eric Hysen (View Email) on October 2, 2006 at 1:25 PM
    Re: Someone you make know
    From what I understand so far, we're allowed to wear a lanyard of our own, but we can't wear the lanyard of another academy or program.
  • laughable on October 2, 2006 at 1:29 PM
    blair is the only school in montgomery country that even requires the students to wear identification. we have gone five weeks without any securtity trouble at all. this is the most ridiculous and insulting policy i have seen at this school, which is saying something. do they want students to hate going to school? because theyre doing a pretty good job of making it so. if something isnt changed, someone is going to launch a formal complaint, and they are going to have plenty of support.
  • ... on October 2, 2006 at 1:32 PM
    I'm not against IDs... they are a common practice in much of America... but being forced to wear them the entire school day when they are color-coded to show the world what program we are in is just as ridiculous as being made to go to saturday detention... for me, my ID gets me onto public transportation for the bus ride home and lets me borrow library books and computuers, for the rest of the day it is placed in an easily accesible, but unseen place in my bookbag.
    also, it may very well be possible for the security guards to visit every class room, everyday, but that should not be the school's priority and tax dollars should not be being spent on such a crazy policy. we have enough problems and few enough staff that both they and we have better things to do with our respective time.
  • Kid on October 2, 2006 at 2:39 PM
    To Time to Grow Up, Kids:
    Not that I don't agree with your sentiment (although I don't), but I worked a government job this summer where I was required to wear an ID every day. Near the end of the summer I lost the ID, and I wore temporary ID's every day for the last two weeks I worked there. I received the temporary ID's free of charge, and no big deal was ever made.
  • elissa h fischel the first (View Email) on October 2, 2006 at 4:17 PM
    i´m pretty sure i´ve been removed from blair´s system, but my dear sga i´m so sorry. what is this.

    love,
    elissa

    p.s. i miss you guys, a lot
  • fill in the blank (View Email) on October 2, 2006 at 4:45 PM
    I think its horrible that we can get ISS for not wearing an ID, that is the absolute horrible and pointless ID policy ever, IDs are useless Good Thing this is my last year, So i wont have to deal with this anymore
  • Blair Alum on October 2, 2006 at 5:29 PM
    This is ridiculous!
    Students should not be penalized this severely for getting to wear a piece of plastic around their necks. What's the reason for this new ID policy? Has Blair been *gasp* infiltrated by a terrorist pretending to be a student? Is that why wearing ID's is so important? I highly doubt it.
  • Jon Phoenix Brookstone on October 2, 2006 at 5:59 PM
    To vJ:

    I apologoze for offending anyone with my comment. I had no intention of insulting Islam or any religion, but just wanted to make a satirical point. I could probably have been better done.
  • Republican on October 2, 2006 at 6:09 PM
    It doesn't matter how many chances we have until our ISS or parent-administrator conference. It doesn't matter how leniently the security guards will enforce this policy. What matters is that the unfair and extremely severe punishments are still there.

    If this article was about the ID's being late, then far fewer and far less angry comments would be made. However, with this new policy outlined, many people started to comment. I'm sure people would still accept the ID policy from last year where people were gently reprimanded for not wearing their IDs.

    The new ID policy is a desperate attempt by the administration to get students to wear their IDs. The administration is throwing a fit because students did not wear their IDs last year. It is unfair that we have to take the brunt of their fit. Instead of throwing a fit and hurting all the students, the administration should think of another way to get students to wear IDs or even better yet, think of alternate ways to solve the security issue.
  • civil disobedience on October 2, 2006 at 6:13 PM
    so i'll see you all saturday?
  • Andy Horn (View Email) on October 2, 2006 at 6:42 PM
    I applaud Eric for doing the best he can to represent the students. I personally sat next to him in both classes after which he was running around the school pulling together the plan that was so readily and summarily falling to pieces as the administration usurped power after power into their ever-expanding disciplinary ability. DON'T YOU DARE BLAME SGA!
  • aom on October 2, 2006 at 6:44 PM
    the new id policy is so unnecessary, but people, stop attacking the SGA, i don't think anyone of you could have negotiated any better, so layoff.
  • aom on October 2, 2006 at 7:08 PM
    well just see how well this goes, after reading alot of the comments left, i agree with most about the harshness but if we are going to complain, might as well take it up to the people who can actually change it, the SGA would be on such possibility> I'm sure that Eric has worked hard for us so far, so lets try to work with him because we did elect him to represent us didn't we?
  • vJ on October 2, 2006 at 7:54 PM
    To John Phoenix Brookstone:

    I apologize for my comment as well. I should not have reacted in the way that I did. I just wanted to point out that the vast majority of muslims do not interpret Jihad as a call for violence in the name of Islam, but now I realize that you are correct in that many Islamic terrorists do.
  • librarian on October 2, 2006 at 7:59 PM
    The only way an ID is useful is if you can't get into the building without it. Once you're inside, it doesn't matter. There is no point in wearing them. Workplace ID's work that way- and once we're inside we don't get detention for not wearing our ID's in the hall. The postings by parents on the PTSA listserve are basically all against this new policy so it's not just the students. The principal's "coffee" on the 9th should be interesting.
  • Seth Reeker (View Email) on October 2, 2006 at 8:24 PM
    It seems to me that this is just another one of the infinite examples of the administration ignoring the best interest of the students in favor of its own agenda. Worse yet is the fact that actual concerns, like safety, are used to justify ridiculous and unrelated policies and actions, thereby making a mockery of justifiable policies/actions for those reasons.

    If the students are against something, that's a very strong reason not to do it. Obviosuly, it can be outweighed by important reasons in favor of whatever it is (in this case, the wearing of IDs).

    The student's will is not something just to be brushed aside by a bunch of adults who fail to maintain control of their adult world and, therefore, force their will on a bunch of kids in an effort to make themselves feel important.

    Maybe they really should make this a capital crime. Then, atleast, we could have a few martyrs to help us make our point. Instead, all we're gonna get is a buncha kids with one-day weekends.
  • another anarchist on October 2, 2006 at 9:10 PM
    A rule isn't justified just because it's "official." If nothing is done by the SGA (I know they'll try but who actually thinks they'll succeed?) we need to do something. Not just talk, actually do. Who's up for organizing?
  • hey um... on October 2, 2006 at 9:25 PM
    I'd just like to ask why is the administration doing this? What are they worried about? How is Saturday detention (on the first offense, btw) going to help anyone? How does it even help the administrators? Do they want this potential conflict with parents? Who's gonna be here on Saturday and watch the kids? I doubt even the building service people want to do that.
  • Alex L. on October 2, 2006 at 9:42 PM
    Hooray Maya! Great article!
  • to Seth Reeker on October 2, 2006 at 10:22 PM
    "The student's will is not something just to be brushed aside by a bunch of adults who fail to maintain control of their adult world and, therefore, force their will on a bunch of kids in an effort to make themselves feel important. "

    Keep thinking that and you'll go a loong way. There's a reason why they're called adults and you're called a kid. They have more experience; most comprehend stuff better than kids. And in this case, you definitely do not understand the administration at all. You may disagree with something the administration did but you cannot create insults out of it.
  • a freshman on October 2, 2006 at 10:53 PM
    This ID policy is ridiculous. Even though this is my first year wearing an ID at school, I know this policy will be a colossal disaster. Getting ISS for forgetting your ID a couple of times? It's frivolous and a waste of time. Don't the staff and students have more to worry about? Not to mention no one explained to the freshmen why on earth we need to wear these IDs? What makes Blair so different from every other school in MCPS?
  • yarr on October 2, 2006 at 11:14 PM
    I still don't see why IDs have to be worn. They do next to nothing to help security, and these new unreasonable consequences for not having your ID only make me hate the ID policy even more.


    What if one is unable to attend the Saturday detention due to religious reasons? Why does it even have to be on a Saturday?

    Also, what are the penalties for violating the other terms of the ID policy, such as wearing your ID below the waist?
  • Stephen Demarais-alum (View Email) on October 2, 2006 at 11:33 PM
    Wow i just heard about this new policy and this is rediculous. I was vice president of the school for two years and have been saying that SGA doesnt stand up enough to the administration and now look what they do. This is pretty lame, and ou guys definately need to protest this. You guys should all just refuse to wear your ids and call their bluff. See how far they are willing to take this.
  • Sam on October 2, 2006 at 11:35 PM
    If they really want to implement this policy they should at least lower the cost of ID's. Blair makes huge profit off of ID's. Everyone should just boycott this BS! Walk out! =D ha i'm so glad i graduated.
  • Libertrian (View Email) on October 2, 2006 at 11:40 PM
    "I applaud Eric for doing the best he can to represent the students. I personally sat next to him in both classes after which he was running around the school pulling together the plan that was so readily and summarily falling to pieces as the administration usurped power after power into their ever-expanding disciplinary ability. DON'T YOU DARE BLAME SGA!" - Andy Horn

    I don't think anyone doubts the work Eric has done. But the point is it is in vain. The administration does not have to listen to him and they don't. That's my problem with the SGA. It has no power yet it continues to pretend it has power. This proves yet again that they have no power. It's time the students take this into our own hands. This is not over, even if the SGA can't do anything.
  • Libertarian (View Email) on October 2, 2006 at 11:41 PM
    "adults who fail to maintain control of their adult world and, therefore, force their will on a bunch of kids in an effort to make themselves feel important." - Seth Reeker

    Great statement, 100% dead on. If they could provide one concrete reason, I'd have more respect for them. But this is pure and simply a power trip. The administration can't deal with not ordering kids around about ID's.
  • Someone you may know on October 3, 2006 at 12:39 AM
    What happens if someone skips the Saturday detention?

    "yarr" brings up a good point, what if someone can't make a Saturday detention for religious reasons?
  • SGA Senator 09 on October 3, 2006 at 7:17 AM
    My aunt works over 12 hours a day 5 days a week and the last thing she wants to do on her weekend off is to drive 7 miles from up-county to Blair High School just because of my absent-mindedness in regards to ID's.
  • David on October 3, 2006 at 9:33 AM
    This just proves the SGA is obselete.
  • sister on October 3, 2006 at 1:44 PM
    Just to tell you about IDs in the "real world". ID's are used to get in or out of buildings. Once in the building there not needed. I can tell you that when I worked at NIH this summer they were definately no checked all the time. In college ID's are used to get in and out of dorms, buy food, use the bus system, and a variety of other activities. But, no one is punished for not having an ID, they simply get back into their room to sleep or do anything else. Plus, colleges asre much bigger, so whats the deal with this idea that Blair is big, so it must have ideas
  • Why does the SGA even exist? on October 3, 2006 at 1:51 PM
    They say the SGA serves as the student voice. Well, judging by what i have seen in this article, the student voice doesnt mean anything in the teachers opinion. Seriously, if they are going to implement a completely rediculous and overly strict policy such as this, they shouldnt pull the SGA into it for the purpose of saying "hah, you had your say in it and now you cant argue against it." The point is, we dont have a say in it, we never really have any influence on what policies are passed. Now thats not what i want to change, because no matter how much we try it wont. What i want to change is the way the teachers use the SGA as a shield against people standing up and saying that the policy is wrong. Just dont pull the SGA into things like this if you are going to deny them any power. Simply pass it, and if people dont like it you change it, not hide behind the SGA.


    As for the policy itself, its rediculous. Look at the punishments. The ID policy, whether the teachers will admit it or not, does not prevent harm to the students and staff. If someone wanted to come in here with a gun and shoot people, he wouldnt need an ID to do it. But what can you expect from MCPS, this is just another example of the plain stupidity that you see every day in their policies.
  • ... on October 3, 2006 at 8:42 PM
    When did the administration/SGA ever get the input of the students? I certainly don't remember anyone asking us whether or not we had any feedback on the ID policy.

    This is nonsense.
  • blank on October 3, 2006 at 9:22 PM
    well u kno what? the administration is making such a big deal over id's, and then they didn't even manage to get me one today...so that's just kinda sad...plus now all my teachers are getting on my case for not having one...
  • Republican on October 3, 2006 at 10:20 PM
    So many of us are questioning the use of IDs. If there are no punishments, why don't people wear the IDs? They aren't much of a hassle, you can clip it on your waist and still be a good boy/girl. But why do people not choose to wear their IDs if it's such an easy thing. The administration is extremely angry at us because we did not wear our IDs. If we wore our IDs in the first place, then we would not be in this mess of unfair punishments. How about we make a deal with the administration that we would all be good boys/girls and start wearing our IDs so the administration does not need this stupid policy? Does that idea help us? Yes. Does that idea hurt us? No. It's just a piece of plastic that everyone around you is wearing. There is nothing wrong with that, uncool about that, unpleasant about that. Just wear the piece of plastic, that's all the administration wants. We won't have to be threatened with all these punishments if we only did what would have harme us none at all.

    The IDs still are useless but why not do such a little thing to make the administration happy and content? Similarly, the administration can get rid of all these threats and explain to us the use of IDs so we can happily feel proud wearing our IDs. In the meantime, even if you do not feel proud wearing your ID, you might as well wear it in order to help remove the threats that the administration put on us.

    Think about it, if we all followed the rules, then the administration would not have made this unfair policy.
  • 07...wisedom on October 3, 2006 at 10:31 PM
    It better to safe than sorry
  • according to the parent listse on October 3, 2006 at 10:51 PM
    According to my mom (who reads the parent listserve), the PTA president is meeting with Mr. Gainous tomorrow morning to voice the concerns of all the parents who have been complaining all day on the listserve. Mr Gainous also apparently sent out a message on blairnet saying that he refuses to alter the disciplinary policy, but that if parents want to vote at a PTA meetingto do away with ID's altogether he will oblige.

    THINGS ARE CHANGING, HAVE NO FEARS!

    Also- they didn't give us yarn today, so uh, we can't wear our ID's, right? RIGHT!
  • Andrew Horn (View Email) on October 4, 2006 at 4:58 AM
    The point of the SGA President is the same as the point for a union President. Do they technically have power? No. Can they influence the decisions that are made? Yes. What you don't understand is that the punishments were much worse before Eric stepped in to negotiate, just like a union president would.

    Besides, without the SGA the clubs would not have as much money to use; there would be no Homecoming; there would be no Prom; there would be no fundraisers. What would we have without them? What would school be like without Eric there? I shutter to think.
  • Eric Hysen (View Email) on October 4, 2006 at 5:13 AM
    I met with Mr. Gainous yesterday morning. Unfortunately, he was unwilling to change any of the disciplinary policies. However, he left an option open for the policy to change if the Parent-Teacher-Student Association (PTSA) requests it, including potentially completely eliminating the requirement to wear them.

    I'll be working with the PTSA Co-Presidents in the next few days to try and set something up to discuss and vote on this at the October 17th PTSA meeting, in the Media Center from 7:30 to 9:15 PM. I'll be posting more information on how everyone can get involved, including by registering as voting members of the PTSA, as I get it.

    Re: Someone you may know
    From what I understand, if you skip the Saturday detention you automatically get the one day suspension.

    Re: Sam
    The administration doesn't set the $5 fee - it's set by the county. They also, from what I've heard, have never actually made money from IDs due to all the various costs involved, including labor.
  • SGA Senator 09 (View Email) on October 4, 2006 at 7:14 AM
    To all the people who are mad at the SGA: we held a meeting on this, and we tried to come up with alternatives. You naysayers better be thankful you guys get 2 temporary ID's per quarter, and that you get immediate Saturday detention for REFUSING to wear the ID instead of merely FORGETTING it. the consequenses for forgetting it are a lot less serious than the Admin's original proposals.

    I poersonally have absolutely no respect for the policy and do not believe a plastic card will prevent a gang rival or a gunman from entering the school with intent to do harm.

    I personally got away without wearing the ID for entire days at Blair last year. Nothing has changed. Other times I go way wearing someone else's.

    There is nothing wrong with ID's. You need licenses and ID's in certain government jobs. But last time I checked, you don't get fired for not weaing an ID.

    I don't want to spend detention 7 miles from where I live. I don't want my aunt, who works over 12 hours 5 days a week, using her days off to drive here to hear an adminstrator reprimand me over some inane issue as wearing a plastic card.

    I know the SGA has no "real" power, since the Admin has supieriority. But, at least, The SGA got something done. And this isn't over.

  • to sga senator on October 4, 2006 at 10:41 AM
    i hate the id's too... but in lots of jobs you have to wear an ID card prominently displayed at all times. Most gov't jobs require it.
  • Eric Hysen (View Email) on October 4, 2006 at 2:34 PM
    An update to my previous comments about the PTSA: Mr. Gainous and the PTSA Co-Presidents decided today against giving the PTSA this power. They will still be discussing the ID policy and suggesting changes at their October 17th meeting, but final decisions will be made by the administration.

    The SGA is investigating further methods for improving the ID policy. Thank you all for your understanding.
  • the real problem- on October 4, 2006 at 4:14 PM
    Ok, I think i will state the real problem with this policy. it punishes the STUDENTS for not having an ID. If its aimed at getting people out of our school who dont belong there, then why impose punishments on students who forget? as long as you can verify that they are a student then there is no problem. The ID policy should not have consequences for the students, at least not this severe. The way it should work is make everyone who forgets an ID have to give the studen ID number, as it is now, and then be given a temporary ID and off he goes, no problem. No stupid "2 temporary ID's per quarter." If it turns out that they ARENT a student, then you have a problem, and it is dealt with. All in all, dont punish the students and say the policy is aimed at people getting into the building, instead at least model the policy to reflect what it was made for.
  • :-) on October 4, 2006 at 6:56 PM
    "But, at least, The SGA got something done."

    What exactly did they get done? Get us an ID policy that seems much worse then the previous one? Make your resume look better?

    As far as I can tell, all the SGA really does is organize homecoming, and various other events that the administraition doesn't really care about and aren't very important.
  • Someone you may know on October 4, 2006 at 9:53 PM
    TO SGA Senator 09:
    I'm very sorry that your aunt has to work so much, but 7 miles really is not that far. There are people that live 30 or 40 miles from Blair, while you live less than 10 away. Have you considered taking the Metro?
  • Libertarian (View Email) on October 4, 2006 at 10:32 PM
    To SGA Senator 09.

    "Consenquences for not wearing an ID (insubordination)"

    The speeling error aside (they spelled it wrong twice btw), it defines insubordination as not wearing it. It's not the consequences for refusing to put one on, it's the consequences for not wearing one.

    And you're right, this isn't over. Look for petitions in the next few days. We will at least be getting a response from the administration and hopefully we can address it after that. We don't need the SGA for this.
  • w/e (View Email) on October 4, 2006 at 10:49 PM
    have the admins gone completely insane?!?
    requiring IDs to walk through the hallways?
    requiring IDs to go to class?
    what is wrong with the administration?!?
  • w/e (View Email) on October 4, 2006 at 10:52 PM
    if the SGA isn't working, talk to the SMOB
    their job is to untangle stuff like this
  • Blah on October 4, 2006 at 11:47 PM
    Eric H-thanks for actually caring about our opinions and trying to do as much as you can to change the policy, we know you're working hard, especially to improve the SGA and hope you can come through with this conflict :P...
    honestly this is a ridiculously strict policy-and why is it that only parents have a say in whether or not the policy can change? how is it possible for us "children" to be underestimated when such great comments and responses have been made.
    The reason a lot of people complain about IDs is because the consequences of not wearing one are annoying and unnecessary.
    What about people that HAVE to work on the weekends? What about the people that come late to school after 1st period? Who has money to buy IDs? Who even realizes that they forgot their IDs before 1st period? People do make mistakes-no one is perfect-and forgetfullness tends to be the common mistake of teenagers.

    Another thing-why would anyone want to wear their ID? Whats up with the new look of the IDs? When I first came into the school the devil on the ID was taken away because people didn't want to wear devils around their necks (I personally dont care), and now they are back on the ID? Also, all this color coding with the IDs is discriminating. I have several magnet and CAP friends that are personally great people, but have a hard time fitting in because peers simply do not want to interact with them because of the stereotypes-many magnets and CAPpies could get away with the stereotypes and prove people wrong once their peers would get to know them-now that is impossible with the color coded IDs. Therefore I believe it is segregating. Also the Seniors don't have academies, so wont the senior hazing during "freshmen hell week" become easier? The school has enough problems, and this specific ID policy seems to be adding on to them.
  • RU on October 5, 2006 at 12:06 AM
    It isn't that hard, people. Just bring your ID's to school. Backpack, lunch, ID.

    Is it necessarily the best way to prevent unwanted intruders from entering Blair? No. Is it a step in the right direction with the proper goal in mind? Yes.

    So cooperate with the administration, quit complaining and let them go through the growing pains as they develop a policy that's both effective and efficient. This may not be it, but it's a step.

    And, seriously, if it's just a plastic card, how hard is it to remember to bring it?
  • Giraffe Man on October 5, 2006 at 9:50 AM
    And I quote, Mr. SGA Senator:

    "If the ID is forgotten a fourth time, students will receive after school detention"

    Anyone who hasn't had after school detention before think that's not serious?
  • Ryan Waldman on October 5, 2006 at 8:32 PM
    "the real problem", Right now, many students are not wearing IDs, thus making them a lot less useful. If most students wore their IDs, someone who wasn't would stand out as a potential intruder, which is the whole point. The administration wants students to wear IDs so they will actually be effective, and has apparently decided that the best way to do so would be to suspend students that aren't wearing them. That said, I personally find the current ID policy to be much too harsh, and have several problems with it: 1) Punishment for forgetting an ID If someone forgets his or her ID, it is an accident! It's no different from leaving your homework on your desk, or forgetting to bring a pencil or pen - but apparently, forgetting an ID (eventually) merits detention. I don't see anyone suggesting that the same should be done for leaving other school supplies at home! Personally, I didn’t forget my ID once last year, but in ninth grade, I was much more disorganized. I would never intentionally leave my ID at home, but if this policy had been implemented when I was in ninth grade, I would have been in ISS along with other disorganized people. 2) Not wearing an ID later in the day = automatic punishment Hopefully, I simply misinterpreted what the policy says, but right now, it seems as though anyone not wearing an ID after the first block will automatically be given detention or suspension. Unfortunately, there are a number of ways that a student could misplace his or her ID during the day. For example, a student's ID might fall off and become lost during lunch, or the student might misplace it during gym class. Why should these occurrences, all accidental, be punished so severely? Again, hopefully I am simply misinterpreting the policy, but the possibilities are worrisome. 3) Saturday detention Saturday detention is a punishment which, as far as I know, is not used at Blair for any other offense. Because of this, students are unfamiliar with it, and again, some of my worries may be unfounded. It seems to me, however, that transportation certainly could be an issue. Magnet students live all over the county, and some might have to drive for hours simply to go to detention on the weekend. For all students, however, transportation is a major potential problem. Additionally, as "yarr" points out, religious reasons could also prevent students from attending Saturday detention. Also, do the administrators really want to keep Blair open on Saturdays just so that students not wearing IDs can be punished? Isn't it unfair to force someone to come in on the weekend to watch over these students? If the administrators really want to suspend students for the first offense of not wearing their ID, that would be its own issue, but they shouldn't hide behind an unfeasible, unique punishment to seem more lenient. 4) Suspension Suspension keeps kids out of classes. By punishing non-ID wearers with suspension, they are keeping them from learning. Is not wearing an ID really enough of an issue to keep people out of their classes? Take a look at the school discipline policy. What else is ISS a punishment for? Repeated cheating, repeated disruption of class, trespassing at other school multiple times, and cutting class. Is not wearing an ID really an offense comparable to these? "the real problem", Right now, many students are not wearing IDs, thus making them a lot less useful. If most students wore their IDs, someone who wasn't would stand out as a potential intruder, which is the whole point. The administration wants students to wear IDs so they will actually be effective, and has apparently decided that the best way to do so would be to suspend students that aren't wearing them. That said, I personally find the current ID policy to be much too harsh, and have several problems with it: 1) Punishment for forgetting an ID If someone forgets his or her ID, it is an accident! It's no different from leaving your homework on your desk, or forgetting to bring a pencil or pen - but apparently, forgetting an ID (eventually) merits detention. I don't see anyone suggesting that the same should be done for leaving other school supplies at home! Personally, I didn’t forget my ID once last year, but in ninth grade, I was much more disorganized. I would never intentionally leave my ID at home, but if this policy had been implemented when I was in ninth grade, I would have been in ISS along with other disorganized people. 2) Not wearing an ID later in the day = automatic punishment Hopefully, I simply misinterpreted what the policy says, but right now, it seems as though anyone not wearing an ID after the first block will automatically be given detention or suspension. Unfortunately, there are a number of ways that a student could misplace his or her ID during the day. For example, a student's ID might fall off and become lost during lunch, or the student might misplace it during gym class. Why should these occurrences, all accidental, be punished so severely? Again, hopefully I am simply misinterpreting the policy, but the possibilities are worrisome. 3) Saturday detention Saturday detention is a punishment which, as far as I know, is not used at Blair for any other offense. Because of this, students are unfamiliar with it, and again, some of my worries may be unfounded. It seems to me, however, that transportation certainly could be an issue. Magnet students live all over the county, and some might have to drive for hours simply to go to detention on the weekend. For all students, however, transportation is a major potential problem. Additionally, as "yarr" points out, religious reasons could also prevent students from attending Saturday detention. Also, do the administrators really want to keep Blair open on Saturdays just so that students not wearing IDs can be punished? Isn't it unfair to force someone to come in on the weekend to watch over these students? If the administrators really want to suspend students for the first offense of not wearing their ID, that would be its own issue, but they shouldn't hide behind an unfeasible, unique punishment to seem more lenient. 4) Suspension Suspension keeps kids out of classes. By punishing non-ID wearers with suspension, they are keeping them from learning. Is not wearing an ID really enough of an issue to keep people out of their classes? Take a look at the school discipline policy. What else is ISS a punishment for? Repeated cheating, repeated disruption of class, trespassing at other school multiple times, and cutting class. Is not wearing an ID really an offense comparable to these? ---------------- Personally, I always wear my ID. If all students wore their IDs, they could be used to improve security. It's a minor thing to do, and really doesn't bother me at all (well, except for the color-coding, but that's a different issue...). IDs are a way to make our school safer, but they are not the only way, and the punishments in the current ID policy are much too harsh.
  • Someone you may know on October 5, 2006 at 11:20 PM
    Okay, if IDs are the only way of spotting outsiders, what happens if you have a non-Blair member wearing an ID? [It might not even be a Blair ID, but you probably can't tell since IDs now come in every color under the rainbow] The security guards are not going to stop him/her and for we know, they could have a gun and decide to shoot everyone. Does the administration really think that shooters are THAT stupid and would let a little ID policy stop them?

    To RU
    The problem isn't bringing the ID. Most students are able to do that, no problem. It's just the school is so obssessed with making sure we wear IDs, but do not provide a good reason ["we are a large school in an urban area"] so the students see no point in wearing them. I ride the Metro fairly often, which is the motivation for me to bring my ID everyday. Are the bar codes even being used for anything this year?

    To :-)
    The SGA didn't create this policy. They changed the one the administration originally planned, making it more leniant and convienant to the students [like the temporary ID policy] Aside from brainwashing the administration, there is no good way to get rid of IDs completely.
  • James Jackson on October 6, 2006 at 9:23 AM
    IDs are not the problem, they're the solution. Without them, people would be getting into our school and bombing it. There's no way someone without proper identification would be able to enter the school
  • Louis Wasserman (View Email) on October 6, 2006 at 9:24 AM
    What was wrong with paying $5? $5 in obligations per ID is much more tolerable than Saturday detentions...
  • Curious One on October 6, 2006 at 9:36 AM
    Out of curiosity--why does it matter if we wear a lanyard for a different academy? Isn't the sole purpose of the lanyard to hold the ID above the waist? I'm not seeing the point here...if it's to emphasize the solidarity of the academies and programs, then that's what the colored IDs are for...

    What's the issue here?
  • THIS BLOWS!!! on October 6, 2006 at 9:41 AM
    ID wearing C'mon... if my mom doesn't have to wear an id for her job then neither should we..after all school is my job. Every time i wear an ID i always loose it. therefore i should not wear an ID because if i do i'll loose and i will be broke before the end of the month. I mean if we were to not wear ID's what would happen..ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! it woulnd't help..i mean i don't have a job and my mom is not rich..we would be out begging if i had to wear an ID. ID sucks the administration sucks and everyone should just not wear them! who's with me?!!
  • Senoir Goth Girl on October 6, 2006 at 9:55 AM
    The policy is.... whatever. I'll be out of here in a few months, so what does any of this really matter. Why fight the little things in the system when it's the big things that /really/ matter? Personally, I looking forward to seeing every one at the Satureday Morning Breakfast Club.
  • Someone you may know on October 6, 2006 at 11:23 AM
    To Louis:
    The IDs tend to break easily. Well, at least the ones last year did. Why should I pay $5 because the school is too cheap to give IDs that are sturdy?
  • just a point... on October 6, 2006 at 12:07 PM
    i know people who don't go to blair, borrow a blazer's id then just walk through the building. ive seen it happen multiple times with different people. i have never seen any of them get caught.
  • tom warner on October 6, 2006 at 1:37 PM
    if you look at hysen's comments, you will notice that he first said that gainous would give the PTSA authority to vote on ID policy, including totally removing the requirement to wear IDs. He then stated that the PTSA could still "advise" the process, but that final changes would be made by the administration.

    Sound familiar?

    It sounds exactly like the end-run around the SGA, earlier this year.

    The administration is willing to "work with" any groups, as long as these groups are willing to abandon any priniples they have and cooperate mindlessly with the administration. It sounds to me that as soon as the administration realized the PTSA could quite possibly vote against their policy, they reversed course and refused to risk any dissent, just as they did to the SGA.

    Congragulations to Hysen and the SGA for speaking out against these ridiculous policies, rather than acting as a mindless spokesman for Gainous. I hope the PTSA has the same amount of backbone.

    However, in any case, the action is now up to the students. The reasons against IDs have already been listed over and over in this forum- I'm not going into them again. STUDENTS, let them know you will not stand for this. Tell a friend! Post on this forum! Get a petition going! Talk to your teachers/administration! Join the saturday morning breakfast club!!
  • Jednizzle on October 6, 2006 at 2:22 PM
    yea. id's are lame. the one thing im enjoying about a new school other than blair is no id policy. the thing that always made me mad about id'd at blair was that they would charge us 5 dollars each time when those id's can have cost more than 50 cents to make.
  • hold up on October 6, 2006 at 2:53 PM
    so what the SGA saying is that a blair student cannot walk into blair with a gun with an ID on and just randomly shoot people? i think that the ID policies are more crappier than last year and u know what? people forget their ID's not becasue they are morons but becasue there are more important things that lokking like a cow with a tag on. Wheter we have IDs or not this school or any school for that matter is not safe and SGA has no power or say in what goes on with this school but the dances, socials and other school bonding!!!!!!
  • Romero Royster (View Email) on October 6, 2006 at 2:54 PM
    This ID policy is just as pointless as the security code for posting messages. I will continue to avoid putting on my ID as much as possible
  • its all sauce...that right, sa on October 6, 2006 at 5:26 PM
    I personally think its all about the Administration having a hissy fit
    about students not complying to the ID demands in the past years and
    they
    need to up their egos by showing how big and bad they can all be. They
    may SAY that their main concern is us and our safety, but there are
    only
    two reasons they'd ever have for saying that:

    A) They're all ignorant to the fact that even a piece of paper cut to be the same
    size can pass for an ID.
    B) They want to prove they can control us. or try to at least.

    Instead of trying to get revenge they should get the security guards to stop yelling "where's you ID" and have them start looking for things that matter a lot more.
  • Someone you may know on October 6, 2006 at 7:05 PM
    To "it's all sauce"
    You don't even need a piece of paper. A lanyard will suffice. Even wearing nothing at all can work.
  • it doesnt even work... on October 7, 2006 at 11:39 AM
    i have yet to have a security guard come to my first period to check if we have ids and to give us temporary ones. I have only had one teacher say put your ids on, and that was only after the info flow announcment about ids came on. halfway through the class you could take them off and never put them on again. it seems like this is an unenforcable issue, especially if no one involved is doing their part, that goes from teachers to students to administrators.
  • Senior on October 7, 2006 at 2:22 PM
    How effective will the id policy be if so many students STILL don't have their ids--me being one of them. This year, the school has so inefficient and unorganized. I had my picture taken the first week of school and yesterday I'm told one isn't on file and I can't get my id. Way to go Blair, way to go. If someone wants to harm students, they'll go to any lengths to do and not having an id won't stop them.
  • Um, Hello..... on October 7, 2006 at 2:41 PM
    in the few days that we've had our ids, not one of my teachers has even checked or even mentioned wearing our ids in class. i believe that most teachers don't even care about the id policy except for the freak ones that run after you in the hallway if you don't put on your id after they ask you to.

    also, i don't know why people were against the idea of security guards checking our ids at the door. it would take a long time but then we can't be blamed if we're late to class. also, we wouldn't have to wear our ids all day and could just keep them in our wallets/purses/backpacks for the rest of the day
  • someone whom you may not know on October 7, 2006 at 4:43 PM
    This whole I.D. issue is very stupid. As some other people have said, I.D.s don't stop anyone from doing anything remotely dangerous. What about the "segregation" issue? The color codes should be removed, and the academies should be written in print on the card itself.

    Also, may I suggest the SGA direct their attention to modifying another useless policy: the policy of not letting students use the restroom during class hours. This policy goes against basic human rights, and while most teachers can make exceptions, the policy should include exceptions in written form. Although it is preferable to have students use the restroom, sometimes you just need to go during class. I can't believe nobody opposed this before...

    Anyway, something to work on...
  • Libertarian (View Email) on October 7, 2006 at 6:29 PM
    to Tom Warner, completely agreed. You can expect to see a petition coming around on Monday.

    To it's all sauce...that right, sa, I'm pretty sure it's B. Otherwise rather than "put your ID on" they would be focused on apprehending the person to make sure they actually had an ID, and if they didn't they could escort them to a place to make sure they belonged. If they didn't they could then arrest/do whatever else they do to people who tresspass. But they know that's not a big risk, so they assume they're just lazy and didn't put their ID on. Also by the new policy, people don't need ID's until 7:25. Good thing we'll be safe from violence after 7:25. Before then? You're on your own.

    To it doesnt even work..., the ID policy has yet to be enforced because some people don't even have their ID pictures yet. I believe they will start doing that on Monday.
  • You know what's funny? on October 7, 2006 at 9:05 PM
    Two of my teachers actually said that the recent shootings at high schools around the nation could have been prevented if the students had worn IDs.

    What, is there some magic ID shield that comes from wearing an ID?
  • WOAH on October 8, 2006 at 2:02 AM
    GOOD GOD! SO MANY COMMENTS! THIS IS ONLY ADDING TO THE CHAOS!
  • Republican on October 8, 2006 at 7:53 AM
    Safety is very important. The only thing that protects a school of 3k students is a few security guards, security cameras that aren't really used, and the IDs. The security guards can't be everywhere and the security cameras aren't really used. So, the only thing that protects us from an idiot who decided to come into the schools with a gun is our IDs. With this in view, aren't IDs very important?

    The school is so large that no one can distinguish an outsider from an insider. If an outsider goes to the fields during lunch, there is no guarantee that the person would come into the school as well. Personally, I do not see anything bad about a security guard checking IDs as students enter in the building. It stops trouble before it can even enter the building. If this is not enforced, the doors in the back hallways that are only used in “emergency” situations should be allowed to be used.
  • Someone you may know on October 8, 2006 at 9:31 AM
    To Romero Royster:
    The security code is so that someone does not write a script that will post thousands of comments.

    To hold up:
    Not the SGA, the administration. The SGA is against this policy and still trying to change it.
  • Libertarian (View Email) on October 8, 2006 at 7:10 PM
    To Republican, That's the hypocrisy. Until 7:25, anyone can be in the building without an ID. So we are completely safe before 7:25? But after that we desperately need ID's or people will die? Their use of fear as a tool greatly rivals the current federal government's use.

    To you know what's funny, exactly right. If anyone can show me how an ID policy that waits until kids are in the building to check if they belong can save anyone from shootings, please let me know and I will drop all arguments. Also note the recent amish shooting was done by an adult clearly not belonging at the school (so they knew he didn't go there, much like someone would know if they didn't have an ID on) yet he still managed to do some damage. How did he do it? He had a gun. Even outside the building, if someone truly wants to bring a gun in and harm and/or kill students, they're gonna be able to do it. There are too many kids to protect from that kind of thing. Thankfully, we do have a pretty good process that could hopefully catch the person and get them arrested. This serves as a deterrent that's been pretty strong so far. Most people in this world are good, and of the ones who aren't, most don't want to risk prison/death to do anything wrong. But for someone who doesn't care about their life, and is bent on causing harm, they're going to find a way to do it. ID's will not stop them. Reminds me of a statement about Columbine. "But it was a gun free zone. How did someone get a gun in there?".
  • Eli Barnett on October 8, 2006 at 7:26 PM
    Once again, i will say that the current ID policy is completely and utterly worthless. it accomplishes nothing. Can you really pick out someone not wearing an ID in the swarm of students who go to our school? No, if you say otherwise, then you must have better than average vision. You might argue that in classes you would be able to tell, however, the people who dont belong to this school probably wont be going to the classes, so they would only be seen in the halls...among soo many other students. ID's, in real life, are used to enter buildings, not as things that are randomly checked. So, maybe check each and every student while coming in, and if they dont have their ID then they give you their student ID number. This would work, right? Wrong. It would take WAY too long to do that, and personally, i dont want to wake up before 6:00, its depressing enough to be out at the bus stop while its still as dark as night out. Maybe put ID scanners, and have people who dont have the ID enter in their student ID number on a keypad. This would work, if the county would actually put some more funding into the schools, which it wont. Want proof? Go look at the quality of our school lunches. There is no practical way to keep people out of our building. none. And this policy is NOT helping. As for the generic argument of "o hey, but what if people want to do harm to the students! we dont want another columbine!" Think, if someone wanted to come into our school with a gun and shoot people, would he have to wear an ID to do it? No. Not with the current policy, not with any policy. If someone seriously wanted to come in the school and do people harm, the only thing to stop them would be the security officers, not a silly overly harsh ID policy. So, if there is ANY valid justification for this policy, please state it. Note that i am NOT blaming the SGA. They are obsolete and have no power, and are not at fault for this. The administration implemented this policy, and if the SGA did make it less harsh (which they probably didnt)then i shudder at the though of what the origonal punishments would be.

    You know the one thing the students could do to make this policy go away? dont wear the ID. If a significant number of students were to not wear the ID, the administration would look very stupid (which it was on this issue, no doubt), and the ID policy would dissolve. Why? because our school has no practical way of punishing hundreds of students at once. Not that this is going to happen, there is no practical way to organize it without the administration stepping in, but still, just a thought.
  • Louis Wasserman (View Email) on October 8, 2006 at 8:39 PM
    I would like to hear a single person say they'd rather go to Saturday detention than pay $5. Please. Tell me if you'd rather go to a Saturday detention than pay $5. Because I wouldn't.
  • Libertarian (View Email) on October 8, 2006 at 8:56 PM
    To Eli Barnett.

    You talk of enterring or verbally giving an ID number? That would defeat the purpose of a check. Someone who didn't belong could give the number of someone who went to Blair pretty easily. But other than that I agree 100% with your post. But for the last statement, unfortunately you are wrong as well. Suspension is easy to be given to hundreds of students at once. And it goes on your permanent record so you're applying to college, they see you were suspended, probably for the reason of "insubordination". That wouldn't look good and would be easy for the administration to do. And even if they couldn't, they would pick a few and make examples of them. This most likely wouldn't work, but we can continue to complain. They are taking heat from the students, parents, some teachers, and SCO is doing a great job. Hopefully someone from the administration is reading this. I also urge many people to write letters to the administration on this. Let them know that this policy doesn't help safety.
  • Someone you may know on October 8, 2006 at 11:59 PM
    To Louis:
    You're comparing apples and oranges. The Saturday detention is for refusing to put on an ID. The $5 is to get a new ID. There is no situation where you would have the choice between paying $5 or doing a Saturday detention.
  • Cole Brown (View Email) on October 9, 2006 at 1:24 PM
    To Romero Royster:

    As Silver Chips' Technical Editor, I am confident when I say the security code for posting comments is necessary. Silver Chips was recieving hundreds of spam comments a day, wasting all of our time.
  • any petitions? on October 9, 2006 at 4:30 PM
    or the like? there was talk about doing student organizaed petitions from numerous people at the beginning and i know its a big school, but ive heard nothing about this at school. any one have one or thinking about doing one?
  • Eli Barnett on October 9, 2006 at 6:46 PM
    Another big problem with the policy, they state they want us to comply voluntarily, yet they punish you if you dont. A bit of contradiction there. An easy way to fix this policy up is get rid of the temporary ID limit, and just give a temporary ID to any student that doesnt have one. I dont see a problem with this, honestly, save MCPS's veiw that you have to punish people to get them to do things.
  • Louis Wasserman (View Email) on October 9, 2006 at 7:27 PM
    Someone I may know, we would've paid $5 with the policy last year if we weren't wearing an ID. This year, we get Saturday detention. I'm comparing year against year, and that's a perfectly reasonable argument.
  • Libertarian (View Email) on October 9, 2006 at 8:25 PM
    To any petitions?,

    I'm currently working on one. Hopefully it will be circulating by the end of this week or early next week. But everyone feel free to write your own. The more petitions we have with more signatures shows the administration just what we think of the ID policy.
  • Eli Barnett on October 10, 2006 at 7:34 AM
    I think the PTSA meeting might be a start, though the co president of the PTSA obviously believes that it shouldnt be. Not going to get into that now, thats for another thread, so to get back on topic, yes, i think petitions would be great, the administration needs to admit it was wrong and change it.
  • Apathetic on October 10, 2006 at 11:46 PM
    This policy makes no sense. The ID policy makes no sense. I think those of us against the ID policy have defended our views well enough. Obviously, the administration simply does not care about students--not our rights (what little we have), not our opinions, not our problems. The very least they could do is make an announcement addressing our concerns. That sheet of paper they gave is absolute nonsense: "The purpose of the ID Policy is to insure that all students have an ID." What the heck?

    Anyway, I’m not here to reiterate all the excellent arguments previously made. When every single student supports one side—and with no evidence to prove them wrong—it is ridiculous and presumptuous to ignore the outcry. Administration, please consider your objectives and your methods. I’m sure your intentions are admirable, but your methods are severely flawed. As somebody recently said, if anybody wanted to endanger the students, IDs have no way of stopping them.
  • Eli Barnett on October 11, 2006 at 8:41 AM
    To Apathetic: You make a great point, reitertating arguments wont do anything. If it isnt obvious to the administration by now (and it should be, they just made an entire article about the comments on this thread!) then there is seriously something wrong with the administration. The administration is definitely was not trying to do something bad in the beginning, but by now if NOTHING is done about this then they are knowingly maintaining a horrible policy. Take this quote from the ID policy (reworded, i dont remember the exact quote) "though we will punish you if you dont have your ID, we want you to wear it willingly." If this quote doesnt prove something is wrong with the policy, nothing does, and if the administration doesnt do something in response to this, all they will get is more criticism.
  • christine kim (View Email) on October 11, 2006 at 2:55 PM
    this id policy is so useless. its just so much easier to not forget your ide, like that other article says
  • me on October 11, 2006 at 7:49 PM
    Taking a look at temporary IDs... if you ask me, it looks like you can issue yourself one.
  • Petitions on October 11, 2006 at 8:03 PM
    Fine. Lets wait and see how many people sign the petitions that go around the school. Then lets wait and see how much those petitions matter. Will it make everyone who doesn't like the ID policy stop complaining when they see that their voices can be heard, and even quantified, and still amount to very little?
  • Apathetic on October 12, 2006 at 1:30 AM
    It's pretty obvious our opinions are ignored by the administration. However, a petition if more official. It will receive more attention. Perhaps if the press--not Chips, perhaps the Post--gets wind of this, they will run an article on it. Then the administration will have to address the issue or else they would face even worse humiliation.

  • it doesnt even work... on October 12, 2006 at 3:40 PM
    to libertarian:
    and really the general public. thank you for clearing up that they had yet to enforce it yet, though now that it has begun to be enforced, i can make the same point. maybe it will "improve" with time, but 3/4 days i havent had a security guard come to my class to check for ids
  • Eli Barnett on October 12, 2006 at 8:00 PM
    You know, today at lunch i saw people being kicked out of the lunch line for not having an ID. This wasnt in the policy, and it is horrible. What if someone comes late to school and forgets an ID and cant buy lunch? Does denying people without ID's the ability to buy lunch help anyone? No, its just another stupid addition to this idiotic policy.
  • come opn now.. on October 17, 2006 at 4:56 PM
    People getting kiked out of the lunch line. yea i have seen that too. I think the whole thing is pretty lame
    and a WASTE of money. WOOPS i forgot my ID. get over it ill bring it the next day
  • Umang Varma on October 18, 2006 at 10:48 AM
    As a Blair alum (class of '94), I was very disappointed to read about this new policy in the Washington Post. I am proud of the diversity of my alma mater and as a former magnet student, my experience was enriched by crossing "learning communities." I think the new policy makes that a little harder. Blair faculty should think about building bridges, not barriers, between school communities.
  • UGH.. on October 18, 2006 at 10:06 PM
    i hate this ID thing.its worthless.i mean i get the fact that it helps with security and all.but i mean it helps to make a way of prejudice in our school.and we already have enough of that!so this ID system...is just dumb.i mean.we culd still have IDs but only need to show it when needed.
  • Libertarian (View Email) on October 20, 2006 at 1:05 AM
    To UGH,

    "i mean i get the fact that it helps with security and all"

    Please enlighten us all. How?
  • Someone you may know on October 20, 2006 at 3:16 PM
    To Eli Barnett:
    For as long as I have been at Blair, you were not able to be in the lunchline without an ID.
  • Libertarian (View Email) on October 22, 2006 at 9:01 PM
    So they kick them out? If they don't have an ID they must be a security concern, right? Shouldn't security apprehend them until they make sure they can produce an ID? If they don't have an ID they should be escorted to the office to verify they are who they say they are, right? What does kicking them out of the lunch line possibly do? Maybe they snuck into the school so they could buy food and start a food fight.
  • oy on November 24, 2006 at 11:55 PM
    Saturday detention is a stupid idea. If I forget my ID, then sorry, but I'm not going anywhere on Saturday except to my job. I'm not getting fired over a little piece of plastic.
  • Terrible on December 13, 2006 at 1:31 PM
    Aren't the punishments a little too severe?? It's a student id.
  • wendy (View Email) on July 31, 2007 at 7:10 PM
    how can i get a valid ID
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